Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

On Wednesday 30 August 2006 11:28, Steffen Mueller wrote:
> Rob Bryant schrieb:
> > And I really don't see any reason you have to be such an a**hole.
>
> Don't repeat the mistakes you are criticizing.
>
> > Someone offers help and suggestions, and you call that person a liar.
> > Nice. Beautiful. Reaffirms my cynical view of humanity completely.
Give
> > someone an op****tunity to be aggressive, antagonistic, and hostile and
> > they'll take it every time.
>
> Somebody else pointed out that the *exact* same discussion was brought
> up by the same person before. 

Indeed, and that was a few years ago. Since then, nothing was done to
correct 
them by the people who have access to learn.perl.org's sources, nor was I 
give access to them, so I can correct it myself.

As I noted, a previous attempt at making http://www.perl.org/learn/
as an 
alternative to l.p.o was halted due to some hardware failures over at the 
perl NOC. So I've tried to bring it again now, in order to hopefully renew

the efforts to make it better.

> Some of his claims back then we shown to 
> be wrong. Repeating them when he has, in fact, better knowledge is at
> best bending the truth. 

I omitted some of my original criticism, because I found it to be
subjective. 
However, none of the claims I brought here "were shown to be wrong", at
least 
not with arguments that I or many other people have agreed to. So I don't 
have "better knowledge" because my original claims still hold.

> Whether or not that should be stated with full 
> force in a public forum is another discussion.

Indeed.

>
> Putting it blunt sometimes saves everybody's time by preventing a
> lengthy discussion. Actually, scrap the last sentence. It's not going to
> work because people discuss bluntness instead.
>

Indeed.

Regards,

	Shlomi Fish

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