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Hi Shlomi,
On Saturday 08 July 2006 06:26, you wrote:
> > On Friday 07 July 2006 17:47, you wrote:
> > > Personally, I feel that putting the central Perl wiki within
Wikipedia
> > > may not be such a good idea. That's because Perl hackers may wish to
> > > deviate somewhat from Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View. For
example,
> > > the Perl wiki may have an entry about Python, Ruby, Tcl, etc. with
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me
> > > criticisms of their approaches of doing things.
> >
> > There is a correct time and a correct place for everything. There are
> > some things that are appropriate to be placed neutrally under the Perl
> > topic within Wikipedia itself, and some are not, so we just need to
> > organize and police things smartly, moderating the content as needed
to
> > make it public, while providing external links out to the proper
private
> > location, or locations, for the Perl biased expressions to occur. No
> > foul and no problem, I believe.
>
> Right, but this will fragment the Perl central wiki. If people have to
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> in two different places, this would be confusing. I'd rather have one
wiki
> and that's it.
>
I absolutely agree with you, but all options are kept available to us.
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formally removing the incorrect name "Perl-Wikipedia" from this
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about "The Perl Wiki," to avoid any further confusion.
People will be going to two major information resources. They will be
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to Wikipedia to learn about many topics, including Perl, and they will
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going directly to The Perl Wiki for its centralized Perl information.
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believe that the Perl related topics within Wikipedia will be a very big
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of the total information solution, along with The Perl Wiki however it
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implemented.
> > I also believe that a truly objective Perl person could legitimately
> > write a factually valid and complete critique about the various
> > programming languages, comparing "their approaches of doing things"
> > without showing a bias toward any particular language, or languages.
>
> True, but see below.
>
> > We just need to be very
> > fair, complete and moderate in what we do for the general public.
It's
> > simply a difference between the formality of writing from "Wikipedia's
> > Neutral Point of View" and someone quickly hacking out an expression
of
> > their Perl biased opinions in a more private Perl setting.
>
> Yes, but I still believe that a Perl wiki may be somewhat different than
a
> Perl section in the wikipedia.
>
I completely agree with you, because like you've been doing with your
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Wikipedia entry about Tom Christiansen, and your Wikibooks project for=20
Newbies, there are "A Lot of Things Perl," including good encyclopedic
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technical information that is best created within Wikipedia or Wikibooks,
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simply referenced by The Perl Wiki as needed to amplify the local topics
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discussions going on in the in everday happenings of The Perl Wiki.
The global Perl community has a very good story to tell to the world
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all of the Wikimedia components that are available. You're doing
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"The Right Stuff," by utilizing the Wikimedia components to tell part of
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Perl story, by adding a page in Wikipedia to tell the world about Tom=20
Christiansen's great contributions to Perl, and by writing new Wikibooks
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help bring new people into the Perl community.
Eric
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