On Saturday 08 July 2006 02:47, Eric R. Meyers wrote:
> Hi Shlomi,
>
> I'm very happy to get your response. You two are the wiki experts, not
me.
>
> On Friday 07 July 2006 17:47, you wrote:
> > Personally, I feel that putting the central Perl wiki within Wikipedia
> > may not be such a good idea. That's because Perl hackers may wish to
> > deviate somewhat from Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View. For example,
the
> > Perl wiki may have an entry about Python, Ruby, Tcl, etc. with some
> > criticisms of their approaches of doing things.
>
> There is a correct time and a correct place for everything. There are
some
> things that are appropriate to be placed neutrally under the Perl topic
> within Wikipedia itself, and some are not, so we just need to organize
and
> police things smartly, moderating the content as needed to make it
public,
> while providing external links out to the proper private location, or
> locations, for the Perl biased expressions to occur. No foul and no
> problem, I believe.
Right, but this will fragment the Perl central wiki. If people have to
look in
two different places, this would be confusing. I'd rather have one wiki
and
that's it.
>
> I also believe that a truly objective Perl person could legitimately
write
> a factually valid and complete critique about the various programming
> languages, comparing "their approaches of doing things" without showing
a
> bias toward any particular language, or languages.
True, but see below.
> We just need to be very
> fair, complete and moderate in what we do for the general public. It's
> simply a difference between the formality of writing from "Wikipedia's
> Neutral Point of View" and someone quickly hacking out an expression of
> their Perl biased opinions in a more private Perl setting.
Yes, but I still believe that a Perl wiki may be somewhat different than a
Perl section in the wikipedia.
>
> I think that the Wikibooks will also be very interesting to Perl people.
>
Indeed. There's already a beginning of a book there about learning Perl
(and
possibly some other book). My "Perl for Perl Newbies" lecture series:
http://www.shlomifish.org/lecture/Perl/Newbies/
Is released under the CC-Public-Domain, and parts of it or it entirely can
be
integrated into the Wikipedia or wikibooks.
> I still have a lot of research to do with the many other things that
I've
> learned in the discussion that I've had with the people on foundation-l.
>
OK.
> > As I noted I believe Wikia may be more appropriate for it, because
from
> > what I understood wikis there may be somewhat biased. Ask Bjorn Hansen
> > claimed he would rather wait for Socialtext to release their Open
Source
> > wiki beta, which he'll set up in the perl.org domain, than to use
TWiki
> > or MediaWiki. We may wish to be patient, and to use perl.net.au in the
> > meantime.
>
> Angela Beesley, from Wikia, notified me via email yesterday that she has
> setup http://perl.wikia.com
and a perl-l@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailing list. I have
> the administrative information to provide to you later. I don't plan to
do
> anything with these without our mutual agreement. I don't own these, we
> do, and I'm always very fair, complete and moderate with people.
First of all - thanks. We'll have to see what we do about it in regards to
the
already exists perl.net.au. Perhaps we can get Ask Bjoern Hansen to point
http://mediawiki.perl.org/
(or http://mw.perl.org/
or whatever) at either
place.
In the meantime, I'll add stuff that I find appropriate to
http://perl.net.au/.
I've already subscribed to their wiki-wide RSS feed.
>
> I've no problem with your call for patience, and I was just beginning to
do
> my own research, asking my own questions and expressing my own ideas.
Well, I don't know about the Socialtext wiki and how compatible it is with
MediaWiki, but it does sound interesting. I suggest that we don't wait for
it
to be released and for a central wiki based on it to materialise, and
instead
start working on http://perl.net.au/.
Note that the http://perl.net.au/
admins may wish to move the contents
(and
history) of the wiki over to http://perl.wikia.com/
in order to relieve
the
burden of the administration. But it's their decision not mine.
Best Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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