On Friday 09 December 2005 02:35, Ovid wrote:
> --- Rodney Clang <rodney.clang@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > Are we not marketing ourselves enough in front of Tim or
> > whomever ?
> > Ideas??
>
> The Ruby on Rails framework is so hugely popular in large part due to
> the people who created it. They've demonstrated their ability to
> market their product. Regardless of the technical merits (and like any
> product Rails has pros and cons), successful marketing can be the key
> between a wonderful product's success or failure.
>
> The ****tland Perl Mongers group is very active. However, one of our
> largest turnouts (I stopped counting at 50) was for the Ruby on Rails
> demo. I doubt we'd get a similar turnout for Catalyst ... unless it
> was marketed well. If we had a Catalyst expert in town who can do as
> slick a demo as the Ruby folks did, I can probably drum a decent
> turnout with enough notice (hint, hint).
>
> The Perl Foundation has actually discussed putting effort behind
> marketing/announcing some of Perl's more successful "big" projects.
> Bricolage is an obvious candidate (our competitors usually charge in
> the six figure range). Catalyst was also discussed, but here were some
> issues we saw:
>
> * No evidence of large, well-trafficked sites
> * Poor do***entation.
> * Very little "buzz"
I can also add poor debugging ability to it. One essentially cannot debug
functions in the core Controller Catalyst components, due to what I was
told
were "nested eval"'s. I don't care if it's a bug of perl or Catalyst - I
don't care - I want to debug it in style. What I restorted to was to
extract
code out of my application and debug that, but it's a kludge.
Regarding do***entation, I should note that a small patch I wrote for the
Catalyst do***entation: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ticket/11
has
remained
completely un-modified in the bug tracker's since I filed it over 5 months
ago. I was planning to follow this patch with other patches, but was
waiting
for it to be applied or at least be commented on.
And there's also this:
http://use.perl.org/~Shlomi%20Fish/journal/25108
I should note that since then, I sort of neglected working on my sample
Catalyst app. (I have two other ideas that may be good for it or for Ruby
on
Rails or something similar).
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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