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Shlomi Fish
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Subject: Re: New Website for Perl Beginners: perlmeme.org
Date: Tuesday 04 October 2005 10:33
=46rom: Simon Taylor <simon@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: advocacy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
to those who provided feedback to Shlomi's announcement a few days
back.
I've summarized the various criticisms that people made, along with our
response.
Randal L. Schwartz
> Unless it's hidden, I'm not finding any obvious link there to the
> defacto standard location for Perl beginners, <http://learn.perl.org>.
> I think this represents broken integrity on your part, since you
> appear to be trying to replace learn.perl.org, not supplement it, so
> you're attempting to fracture the community, not enhance it.
>
> If you add a prominent link to learn.perl.org, I will withdraw my
> complaint.
We do reference Simon Cozens Beginning Perl book at learn.perl.org
but you're correct that the learn.perl.org site is not made prominent
on perlmeme.org. We can certainly do this.
Gavin Henry
> I think their intentions are great, but what's wrong with:
>
> * http://learn.perl.org
> * http://faq.perl.org
> * Tutorials
>
> They talk about their motivations, but it seems like a big duplicate
> of effort? I think they need to have a links page mentioning things
like
> above.
We link to some good perldoc pages at:
http://perlmeme.org/faqs/references/
and I think that this is probably the place for us to link to the
learn.perl.org urls.
JupiterHost.Net
> And its not very well done CGI wise (IE super hackable...
> didn't you check and untaint the input?)
>
> http://perlmeme.org/misc/feedback.html?url=3D/joema...........
>
> Thats pretty limmited in scope but not a good idea for a site that is
> supposed to be giving out good ideas :)
Well, you win.
Ovid
> In http://perlmeme.org/start_here/our_motivations.html
there's a lot of
> talk about dealing with "anti-Perl memes" and, essentially, how to
> market Perl. Given that, I can only wonder why the site creators
> didn't bother to contact The Perl Foundation
> (http://www.perlfoundation.org/)
as the latter is always interested in
> new volunteers with energy and creative ability who are willing to help
> out on that very topic.
I've had pleasant dealings with The Perl Foundation at the Open
Source Developers' Conference, but be honest, it never occured to me to
talk to them about perlmeme.org
> And is there any mention of the Perl community? I can't see it there.
> The site purports to be a resource for "selling" Perl and overcoming
> the negative reaction many folks have to the language, but the site is
> little more than a cookbook. How can one market Perl and leave out one
> of its strongest selling points?
We'd love to sell the Perl community. If anyone here wants to send me some
text highlighting the resources that people who are new to Perl should
know about, we'll ensure it's featured prominently.
> Oh, and this is bad, just bad:
> http://www.perlmeme.org/howtos/subroutines/perl_files.html
>
> And can you find the runtime errors on this page's code?
> http://www.perlmeme.org/howtos/using_perl/display_text_message.html
>
> And plenty of little bugs and typos here:
> http://www.perlmeme.org/tutorials/cgi_script.html
>
> There's more and nitpicking seems petty but for a site which has the
> stated goal of addressing the "many irrational anti-Perl memes", it
> really needs to get things right.
Ouch. You've highlighted some poor quality control there. We've now
rectified these pages. Thanks for pointing this out.
Henning M=F8ller-Nielsen
> I for one would like any example showing beginners to use
> 'require FUNCTIONLIB' instead of 'use MODULE' to be
> removed or edited to be in a style appropriate
> for Perl 5.
Appreciate your point. The single 'require' example that we have on the
site
is fine as it stands, but it does beg the question of why we didn't
mention
"use" in the same place and the important ways it differs... We'll address
this.
Regards,
Simon Taylor
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Shlomi Fish shlomif@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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