Abe Vionas_MailingList wrote:
>What it comes down to is what it's coming down to for
>me... platform maturity.
>
>Python on windows has a broad range of libraries
>available for anything you could ever dream of:
>Apache, Java, Email, Protocols, GTK, Qt, Tk, OpenGL,
>PostgreSQL, MySQL, etc etc etc. As far as Python
>library availability for Linux, I really don't know,
>as I was only looking for windows stuff last night. My
>feeling is that while not being quite as comprehensive
>as it's windows offerings it still offers a good
>depth.
>
>Ruby, on the other hand, while it has a comprehensive
>offering on the Linux platform, is hamstrung on
>windows by it's lack in im****tant areas. If libraries
>exist, they more often then not are NOT being actively
>maintained (my research last night indicated that by
>and large more Python libraries are continually
>actively maintained). This last point is im****tant
>because at one time or another Ruby has HAD libraries
>to cover any need, but without active maintenance they
>are nearly worthless. I for one will not even look at
>a library that hasn't had a release in 2004.
>
>
>
Binary releases are sometimes a problem, most of us are unix users,
there are some windows users. I think a few need to get together and
compile windows binaries. Hopefully, I will be able to continue to have
access to a win2k machine and compile much for the RPA ruby packaging
system. Sorry it didnt work out for you. I will be having a GUI for RPA
soon. I'm the type of person who does think about Windows users and GUIs
for the people who might not know typical compiling routines. Some
linuxes just have a packaging system for them to do it for them, I have
BSD. I know its not easy on windows, I will get some effort into helping
RPA witht he GUI and compiling windows binaries.
What exactly are you needing? What type of developer are you? and What
are the type of modules do you regularly use on Windows?
I'm not a frequent windows developer, but I do know a great deal about
Windows programming. Effort to solve the Windows area is underway.
>So, this is what it comes down to for me... Which
>language offers what I need in terms of libraries? I
>decided to go looking after having an excrutiating
>time finding just Ruby FastCGI, mod_ruby, and
>PostgreSQL libraries which would actually work on
>Windows - forget being maintained at all. No luck
>though. Even a post to the Ruby-Talk list asking for
>help with an attempt to install FastCGI for Ruby
>yielded only one reply.
>
>
>
I seen your question, I didn't know the answer though. Did you try the
maintainer?
>Finally, while the Ruby Gem system is exceptionally
>easy to work with and a real boon to Ruby, it doesn't
>quite match the ease of installing ANY given Python
>library. Every Python windows library for the most
>part comes with a windows installer (exe or msi).
>
>
Would you rather have a GUI, and/or executables which can be installed?
hmm thoughts for RPA
>Keep in mind that it may be more doable to run Ruby on
>windows given substantial C programming/compiling
>experience, I don't know. Obviously, if I had the
>experience to satisfy that statement I would be able
>to answer my own question. : -)
>
>
No problem. What problems were you having, besides fastcgi, and I can
look in to it on my spare time.
>So, for those of us who aren't C gurus and don't run
>Linux, Python seems to win out when compared to Ruby.
>Which is unfortunate because I really love Ruby, and
>don't like a number of Python elements. However,
>having the capabilities I need is much more im****tant
>than syntax preferences at the moment.
>
>Sadly, in order for Ruby to really take over the world
>it will require a more substantial focus on providing
>windows compatible libraries and maintaining those
>libraries. If Ruby continues to be a Linux-centric
>language... I don't know. It just seems to me fairly
>obvious that in order to have true dominance you have
>to meet the needs of the major platforms. Python does
>this moreso then Ruby. And believe me, I wish it were
>the other way around.
>
>
please use the term, unix-centric. I'm a BSDuser :) Thanks.
Also, I agree, Ruby is more towards unix, some of the developers dislike
programming on windows, not mentioning any names but he knows who he is
:). Its not so much that libraries are unix-centric, but someone needs
to compile the libraries on Windows. Most libraries already work well
with windows, but its a compiling issue.
>I'll keep my eye on Ruby, and return when it offers
>the essentials I require. But until then I'll be
>laboring under a hot Python sun.
>
>Regards, Abe Vionas
>
>
>
Maybe sometime in the future it will get better for Windows users, we
can only hope.
If you have any questions, drop me an email.
David Ross
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