Re: New sections to the Standard Pascal website

On 2008-05-04, thomas.mertes@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 <thomas.mertes@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> > programming languages), but instead some programs start to depend on
the
>> > IDE. With Seed7 I want to be more or less IDE independent.
>>
>> IDEs are im****tant for productivity.
>
> IMHO IDEs do improve productivity, but the bottleneck is
> somewhere else. I think that most of the time spend
> in programming is not spend writing the program. It
> is the time used to find an algorithm, to decide over the
> interfaces to other modules and and the time spend for
> similar high level tasks.

Not every programming task is a math problem. (G)UI, input validation,
data
im****t/ex****t and businesslogic take a non insignificant part of the part
too. 

> I guess that good programmers
> spend more time thinking over the design of a program than
> writing it.

I do. But only for core framework parts. Which constitute less than 10% of
my programming hours.

> That is my critic about IDEs: Managers expect that programs written in
> classic (old) languages can be written twice as fast because of the IDE.

Well, it is possible. But rather at the expense of quality. And IMHO it
has
nothing to do with whether you use an IDE or not. And even that is not
always bad, as long as sb is keeping a tight reign on things.

(and I flatter myself that I have been that one in past jobs)

> This is totally missleading since a programming language and it's
> libraries can improve the productivity of a programmer much more than an
> IDE. An IDE cannot turn a bad design into a good one, but the features
of
> a programming language can lead the programmer to use a better design.

There is more to software development than language and abstract design.
The
fact that you spend time on your design doesn't preclude saving time
browsing through source looking for identifiers if the IDE can do it for
you.