Re: New sections to the Standard Pascal website

On 30 Apr., 14:14, Marco van de Voort <mar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On 2008-04-29, thomas.mer...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 <thomas.mer...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > One design criteria for Seed7 is: It should be usable without IDE.
> > That does not mean that I am aggainst IDEs, but IMHO simple things
> > should stay simple. I am sceptical aggainst languages which are
> > only usable with an IDE.
>
> I know very few systems that don't come with a commandline compiler. In
the
> Smalltalk realm there might be some, but in general a cmdline compiler
is
> always there.

There is some misunderstanding here. I did not speak of IDEs
without commandline compilers. IMHO much of the logic which
should be somwhere in the program is managed in the IDEs now.
This takes some burden from the programmers shoulders, but it
makes other things more complex. E.g.: Moving from an IDE to
another. I have seen people which try to move a makefile
build process to Visual-C and also people which try to migrate
a Visual-C project to Eclipse. Without the 'right' IDE some
programs are useless. For a long time it was a goal to make
programming languages more ****table between operating systems
and hardware. Now this goal is more or less reached (at least
with some programming languages), but instead some programs
start to depend on the IDE. With Seed7 I want to be more or
less IDE independent.

> > I think that compiled languages lost ground to script languages
because
> > some IDEs became more and more heavy.
>
> Personally I don't think they lost ground. It is simply a new
application
> (or direction) for programming. IMHO it stems more from the sysadmin
side of the
> IT spectrum than from the programmer side.

I have seen big programs done with scripting languages. They
are done by 'programmers' which just use perl or some other
language. Belive me, write only languages are used for programs
which were programmed with compiled languages in the past.

Greetings Thomas Mertes

Seed7 Homepage:  http://seed7.sourceforge.net
Seed7 - The extensible programming language: User defined statements
and operators, abstract data types, templates without special
syntax, OO with interfaces and multiple dispatch, statically typed,
interpreted or compiled, ****table, runs under linux/unix/windows.