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Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?

by "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 8, 2008 at 07:29 PM

"Eric Sosman" <esosman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:O7WdnQ5Xbd9fKE_anZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> It is often said that C's strings are NUL-terminated, but this
> is not correct.  They are zero-terminated, and the meaning (if any)
> of zero in whatever encoding is in use at the moment is unspecified
> and irrelevant.  The internal representation of a string, like the
> internal representation of a double, has nothing to do with its
> use in external protocols.
>

Eric,

zero-terminated?

No.  That's incorrect too.  C's strings are null-terminated.  There is a
difference.  They aren't terminated by 32-bit or 36-bit zeros...

7.1.1 sub 1 n1256
"A string is a contiguous sequence of characters terminated by and
including
the first null character. ..."

5.2.1 sub 2
"...A byte with all bits set to 0, called the null character, shall exist
in
the basic execution character set; it is used to terminate a character
string."

6.4.4.4 sub 12
"The construction '\0' is commonly used to represent the null character."

See, they are terminated by a C byte with all bits 0, whatever value the C
system interprets that as...


D. Ritchie said this:

"The other characteristic feature of C, its treatment of arrays, is more
suspect on  practical grounds, though it also has real virtues. Although
the
relation****p between pointers and arrays is unusual, it can be learned.
Moreover, the language shows considerable power to describe im****tant
concepts, for example, vectors whose length varies at run time, with only
a
few basic rules and conventions. In particular, character strings are
handled by the same mechanisms as any other array, plus the convention
that
a null character terminates a string."

"The Development of the C Language", D. Ritchie


BTW, for ASCII, EBCDIC, PETSCII, ATASCII, UTF-8, Unicode, etc. the all
bits
zero character is named NUL...


Rod Pemberton
 




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wildhalcyon <wild.halc  2008-03-03 05:56:01 
Re: reinventing ASCII?
"cr88192" <c  2008-03-04 05:35:03 
Re: reinventing ASCII?
"Rod Pemberton"  2008-03-03 15:13:13 
Re: reinventing ASCII?
Jacko <jackokring@[EMA  2008-03-03 12:58:14 
Re: reinventing ASCII?
torbenm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-04 10:19:06 
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Eliot Miranda <eliotm@  2008-03-04 13:18:31 
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"Charlie Gordon"  2008-03-05 03:58:24 
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ram@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (S  2008-03-05 03:26:51 
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torbenm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-05 10:31:40 
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Edward Feustel <efeust  2008-03-05 06:32:23 
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James Harris <james.ha  2008-03-05 15:05:37 
Re: reinventing ASCII?
torbenm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-06 11:34:33 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
James Harris <james.ha  2008-03-08 07:16:34 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Eric Sosman <esosman@[  2008-03-08 10:48:58 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
"Rod Pemberton"  2008-03-08 19:29:00 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Ulrich Eckhardt <dooms  2008-03-09 09:18:15 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
torbenm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-11 11:04:42 
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santosh <santosh.k83@[  2008-03-11 16:26:16 
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richard@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-11 11:10:37 
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torbenm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-12 09:43:18 
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santosh <santosh.k83@[  2008-03-12 14:25:04 
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"Wilhelm B. Kloke&qu  2008-03-12 09:18:23 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Marco van de Voort <ma  2008-03-12 11:08:21 
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"Wilhelm B. Kloke&qu  2008-03-12 12:33:14 
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Marco van de Voort <ma  2008-03-12 14:11:25 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Chris Dollin <chris.do  2008-03-12 13:33:42 
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"Wilhelm B. Kloke&qu  2008-03-12 15:34:40 
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"Default User"   2008-03-12 18:22:45 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
"Default User"   2008-03-12 18:22:45 
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"Default User"   2008-03-11 21:26:05 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Micah Cowan <micah@[EM  2008-03-11 15:14:10 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
richard@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-11 22:27:14 
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Morris Dovey <mrdovey@  2008-03-08 09:45:05 
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Ben Bacarisse <ben.use  2008-03-08 17:22:36 
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billg999@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-08 18:27:46 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
James Harris <james.ha  2008-03-09 17:16:03 
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richard@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 01:08:23 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Ben Bacarisse <ben.use  2008-03-10 12:13:19 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
James Harris <james.ha  2008-03-10 08:45:25 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
"Rod Pemberton"  2008-03-10 19:26:16 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Eric Sosman <esosman@[  2008-03-10 21:03:06 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Marco van de Voort <ma  2008-03-11 11:06:14 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
CBFalconer <cbfalconer  2008-03-11 15:22:58 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Eric Sosman <Eric.Sosm  2008-03-13 17:37:20 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
rlb@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (R  2008-03-14 09:32:54 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Eric Sosman <esosman@[  2008-03-14 09:21:41 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
"Rod Pemberton"  2008-03-14 17:48:27 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Morris Dovey <mrdovey@  2008-03-10 10:35:21 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
"Rod Pemberton"  2008-03-10 19:09:27 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Eric Sosman <esosman@[  2008-03-10 21:00:14 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Marco van de Voort <ma  2008-03-11 11:04:46 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
billg999@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-11 12:04:26 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
billg999@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-11 12:07:36 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Neilist <lattoralee@[E  2008-03-11 14:28:23 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
richard@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-11 22:22:36 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Richard <devr_@[EMAIL   2008-03-11 23:23:21 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Jacko <jackokring@[EMA  2008-03-12 11:49:33 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Micah Cowan <micah@[EM  2008-03-12 19:01:00 
Re: NUL to terminate strings
CBFalconer <cbfalconer  2008-03-10 17:35:16 
Re: NUL to terminate strings
rlb@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (R  2008-03-14 09:28:38 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
BruceMcF <agila61@[EMA  2008-04-12 18:27:54 

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