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Re: reinventing ASCII?

by torbenm@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Torben =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C6gidius?= Mogense Mar 6, 2008 at 11:34 AM

James Harris <james.harris.1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:


> In the context of this newsgroup - i.e. language design - my belief is
> that a language would benefit from independence from the character
> representation. In other words I'd say ASCII is not pragmatically
> better or worse than any other representation EXCEPT I would say that
> the non-printable characters are a pain.
>
> Which non-printable characters are still needed? How about
>
>    0  NUL
>    4  EOT (end of transmission)
>    9  TAB (or field separator)
>    10 LF (or end of line)

Why would we need a null character?  I know that it in C is used as
end-of-string marker, but that is a horrible design decision.  If any
single character should mark the end of a string, it should be EOT.

As for TAB, I would standardise the tab positions to be 8 characters
wide.  And I would, as you imply, keep a single newline character
instead of the mess of incompatible combinations of CR and LF.

> Any more?

Page feed might be useful.  At the moment, it also doubles as clear
screen, which is a bit dubious.  ASCII was clearly designed for paper
terminals, so it is not really prepared for erasable displays.  Hence,
some control codes have been modified to mean different things on
printers and screens.  This is a bit of a mess, so this should be
cleaned up.

> Of course, only one or two control chars are really needed,
> perhaps one to say that the next byte is to be interpreted as a non-
> printable (perhaps a control code) and one to introduce a composite
> character.

Yes, that would work.  Backspace used to be used for creating
composite characters by moving the carriage back and striking on top
of the previous character, but these days it is used to delete the
previous character.  So a control code that explicitly merges the
following two characters would be better.

	Torben
 




 61 Posts in Topic:
reinventing ASCII?
wildhalcyon <wild.halc  2008-03-03 05:56:01 
Re: reinventing ASCII?
"cr88192" <c  2008-03-04 05:35:03 
Re: reinventing ASCII?
"Rod Pemberton"  2008-03-03 15:13:13 
Re: reinventing ASCII?
Jacko <jackokring@[EMA  2008-03-03 12:58:14 
Re: reinventing ASCII?
torbenm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-04 10:19:06 
Re: reinventing ASCII?
Eliot Miranda <eliotm@  2008-03-04 13:18:31 
Re: reinventing ASCII?
"Charlie Gordon"  2008-03-05 03:58:24 
Re: reinventing ASCII?
ram@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (S  2008-03-05 03:26:51 
Re: reinventing ASCII?
torbenm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-05 10:31:40 
Re: reinventing ASCII?
Edward Feustel <efeust  2008-03-05 06:32:23 
Re: reinventing ASCII?
James Harris <james.ha  2008-03-05 15:05:37 
Re: reinventing ASCII?
torbenm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-06 11:34:33 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
James Harris <james.ha  2008-03-08 07:16:34 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Eric Sosman <esosman@[  2008-03-08 10:48:58 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
"Rod Pemberton"  2008-03-08 19:29:00 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Ulrich Eckhardt <dooms  2008-03-09 09:18:15 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
torbenm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-11 11:04:42 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
santosh <santosh.k83@[  2008-03-11 16:26:16 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
richard@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-11 11:10:37 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
torbenm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-12 09:43:18 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
santosh <santosh.k83@[  2008-03-12 14:25:04 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
"Wilhelm B. Kloke&qu  2008-03-12 09:18:23 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Marco van de Voort <ma  2008-03-12 11:08:21 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
"Wilhelm B. Kloke&qu  2008-03-12 12:33:14 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Marco van de Voort <ma  2008-03-12 14:11:25 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Chris Dollin <chris.do  2008-03-12 13:33:42 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
"Wilhelm B. Kloke&qu  2008-03-12 15:34:40 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
"Default User"   2008-03-12 18:22:45 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
"Default User"   2008-03-12 18:22:45 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
"Default User"   2008-03-11 21:26:05 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Micah Cowan <micah@[EM  2008-03-11 15:14:10 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
richard@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-11 22:27:14 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Morris Dovey <mrdovey@  2008-03-08 09:45:05 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Ben Bacarisse <ben.use  2008-03-08 17:22:36 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
billg999@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-08 18:27:46 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
James Harris <james.ha  2008-03-09 17:16:03 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
richard@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-10 01:08:23 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Ben Bacarisse <ben.use  2008-03-10 12:13:19 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
James Harris <james.ha  2008-03-10 08:45:25 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
"Rod Pemberton"  2008-03-10 19:26:16 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Eric Sosman <esosman@[  2008-03-10 21:03:06 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Marco van de Voort <ma  2008-03-11 11:06:14 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
CBFalconer <cbfalconer  2008-03-11 15:22:58 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Eric Sosman <Eric.Sosm  2008-03-13 17:37:20 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
rlb@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (R  2008-03-14 09:32:54 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Eric Sosman <esosman@[  2008-03-14 09:21:41 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
"Rod Pemberton"  2008-03-14 17:48:27 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Morris Dovey <mrdovey@  2008-03-10 10:35:21 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
"Rod Pemberton"  2008-03-10 19:09:27 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Eric Sosman <esosman@[  2008-03-10 21:00:14 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Marco van de Voort <ma  2008-03-11 11:04:46 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
billg999@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-11 12:04:26 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
billg999@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-11 12:07:36 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Neilist <lattoralee@[E  2008-03-11 14:28:23 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
richard@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-11 22:22:36 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Richard <devr_@[EMAIL   2008-03-11 23:23:21 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Jacko <jackokring@[EMA  2008-03-12 11:49:33 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
Micah Cowan <micah@[EM  2008-03-12 19:01:00 
Re: NUL to terminate strings
CBFalconer <cbfalconer  2008-03-10 17:35:16 
Re: NUL to terminate strings
rlb@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (R  2008-03-14 09:28:38 
Re: NUL to terminate strings; was reinventing ASCII?
BruceMcF <agila61@[EMA  2008-04-12 18:27:54 

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