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Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first

by anw@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dr A. N. Walker) Nov 14, 2007 at 01:11 PM

In article <20071114023624.GE4057@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
Robbert Haarman  <comp.lang.misc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> [...] I don't know about you, but I feel programming is largely the
>automation of recurring tasks, with the purpose of reducing the amount
>of work we need to do. Imposing extra work on programmers on a language
>level, then, is a pity. [...]

	Well, up to a point.  "Clearly", if a task *is* recurring,
then [good] programmers should recognise this, and [good] languages
should enable this recurrence to be factored out [procedures, loops,
macros, file inclusion, ...].  But is not programming primarily the
expression of an algorithm [or similar] in a convenient but somewhat
formal language?  Usually, this will be for execution by a computer,
but the same concept is also useful for human execution and for
didactic purposes.

	Reducing the amount of work a programmer has to do is
*one* of the aims of a good language.  Other may include clarity
of expression, efficiency of execution, bug resistance, ease of
translation [into m/c code or another HLL], ....

	Type inference is just another of the aspects of HLLs that
is sometimes good, sometimes bad.  It's good if it saves you work
without compromising the clarity and bug-resistance of the code;
it's bad if it merely reduces typing at the expense of these things.
The real danger is, of course, if the compiler thinks all is well
with your code and has inferred one collection of types, while you
intended some different collection of types;  but how likely this
is will depend on other features of the HLL concerned.

	To quite a large extent, however, this is a sterile debate.
If it *matters* to you whether [as per the title of this thread]
we write "int i" or "var i: int" or "var i" [type inferred], then
I think you almost certainly have worse problems with your programs
and your programming than these to contend with.

-- 
Andy Walker, School of MathSci., Univ. of Nott'm, UK.
anw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 




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Declaration design preference: type or name first
James Harris <james.ha  2007-10-30 06:25:49 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
Christopher Barber <cb  2007-10-30 12:04:41 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
Robbert Haarman <comp.  2007-10-31 11:18:39 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
Marco van de Voort <ma  2007-10-31 14:53:22 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
"cr88192" <c  2007-10-31 08:29:19 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
James Harris <james.ha  2007-10-30 16:01:31 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
"cr88192" <c  2007-10-31 11:22:00 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
Logan Shaw <lshaw-usen  2007-10-30 21:54:26 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
Mike Sieweke <msieweke  2007-10-31 22:47:45 
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CBFalconer <cbfalconer  2007-10-31 22:38:47 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
Marco van de Voort <ma  2007-11-01 08:38:05 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
Logan Shaw <lshaw-usen  2007-10-31 23:45:26 
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Mike Sieweke <msieweke  2007-11-01 21:26:24 
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Richard Heathfield <rj  2007-11-01 05:31:44 
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Marco van de Voort <ma  2007-11-01 08:39:55 
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Richard Heathfield <rj  2007-11-01 08:59:25 
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Marco van de Voort <ma  2007-11-01 08:38:56 
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cri@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (R  2007-11-01 14:40:44 
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ram@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (S  2007-11-01 14:50:16 
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cri@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (R  2007-11-01 15:52:23 
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Logan Shaw <lshaw-usen  2007-11-01 20:09:07 
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cri@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (R  2007-11-02 03:52:34 
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Logan Shaw <lshaw-usen  2007-11-02 00:57:24 
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cri@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (R  2007-11-03 15:53:21 
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"cr88192" <c  2007-11-03 22:27:59 
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thomas.mertes@[EMAIL PROT  2007-10-30 23:48:38 
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thomas.mertes@[EMAIL PROT  2007-10-31 00:12:07 
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torbenm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-10-31 09:27:23 
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thomas.mertes@[EMAIL PROT  2007-10-31 01:38:54 
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Marco van de Voort <ma  2007-10-31 14:45:15 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
Ed Prochak <edprochak@  2007-10-31 17:28:45 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
James Harris <james.ha  2007-11-01 13:56:47 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
"cr88192" <c  2007-11-02 16:01:12 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
James Harris <james.ha  2007-11-02 01:08:01 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
CBFalconer <cbfalconer  2007-11-02 07:51:18 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
Tzy-Jye Daniel Lin <dt  2007-11-03 03:28:22 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
"cr88192" <c  2007-11-03 21:54:27 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
torbenm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-11-05 09:56:58 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
James Harris <james.ha  2007-11-05 10:33:42 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
torbenm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-11-06 09:39:46 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
James Harris <james.ha  2007-11-11 10:10:54 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
Robbert Haarman <comp.  2007-11-12 12:17:10 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
James Harris <james.ha  2007-11-12 15:18:18 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
Robbert Haarman <comp.  2007-11-13 09:43:11 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
torbenm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-11-13 10:14:08 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
James Harris <james.ha  2007-11-13 15:47:48 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
Robbert Haarman <comp.  2007-11-14 03:36:24 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
anw@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2007-11-14 13:11:46 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
torbenm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-11-14 11:36:07 
Re: Declaration design preference: type or name first
James Harris <james.ha  2007-11-13 16:04:30 

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