Re: Opera Mini 4 versus iphone Safari

On Jun 26, 7:50 pm, ZnU <z...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> Personally, I don't really care about games.

Since it's a multi-billion dollar industry, I'm glad many people
aren't like you.

>
> > and do you know what i run on my cell? i can ftp to our servers and
> > edit files, log in remotely to desktop and servers and view the
> > screen, have acces to twitter mobile apps, tv apps. ebay automated
> > apps, google apps, etc, almost all free to download.
>
> That's nice. You represent probably 1% of cell phone users.


Sure, my point is by allowing client resident apps to run you open up
possibilities for people, instead of keeping them in a walled garden.
That's choice. That's freedom. Like I said, iphone users won't have
access to any applet/flash games, nor access to the thousands of
mobile games available to other people with java enabled phones.


> Her usage is evidently not typical.

really? She uses MSN and yahoo.


> The enterprise is usually the last place to look, if you're interested
> in where the industry is headed. It tends to trail well behind the state
> of the art, because cor****ate IT managers take a few years to get used
> to anything.
>
> And I'll note that neither Google Earth or Microsoft Office is a Java
> application either. Like I said, client-side Java has mostly flopped.
> Certainly it has if it's judged by the grand things that were predicted
> for it in the '90s.

I'll note that my argument was client resident apps versus ajax apps,
which is why i pointed out those comparable apps (which are probably
native C/C++).

Certainly applets have not taken over the world, I agree completely. I
do server side and mobile (both spheres where Java is very dominant)
so i don't really care, but to say it's not used when applets are used
in education, in games, and in enterprise client apps is incorrect.

Beyond applets on the desktop, in fact, a study done a year or so ago
found that Java SWING is actually more heavily used than Microsoft
Winforms.

And some Java desktop apps are extremely well known and used like
Azureus, Limewire, and QNext.

Again, though I concede that Java desktop apps do not dominate in the
same way as in the server and mobile.


>
> > * darn mosquitoes are flying about as i lounge by the pool and eat a
> > salad.