Re: Opera Mini 4 versus iphone Safari

In article <1182798788.071911.64180@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 asjbiotek@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> ZnU wrote:
> > In article <1182790961.327116.244860@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >  asjbiotek@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[snip]

> >At least people who downloaded the thing had a
> > clear interest in it. A pre-installed copy might sit on the phone of a
> > user who couldn't care less, never getting used.
> 
> you got that right, which means saying that 1 million iphones were
> sold this year does NOT mean there are now 1 million safari users
> since the vast majority of those people won't have data plans and
> internet access. this is not  blackberry where access is mandatory
> (and btw opera mini is used by blackberry users too)

First of, we don't know that, because we don't even know if AT&T will 
offer the iPhone without a data plan. We haven't see what plans they'll 
offer yet.

Secondly, every iPhone user *will* have access to WiFi. If not 
*everywhere*, then in *some* places. I'd be pretty surprised if there 
were any iPhone users who never used the browser at all.

> > Over sixteen months, the operative time period, 1000 web pages is
about
> > two a day, which is in the range I'd expect for a mobile browser.
> 
> let me repeat that again for you: 1. there is zero probability that
> all those millions of people all downloaded opera mini 16 months ago;
> (2) many mobile users use separate applications to do separate tasks
> because of the awkwardness of using using browser controls on a small
> device. for example for email i use another java app called google
> mail mobile and for maps i use google maps mobile. the browser is NOT
> as ubiquitous as in desktops.

OK, so maybe it's an average of five pages per day per user. Check the 
weather, s****ts, stocks, whatever. It still isn't particularly hard to 
believe.

BTW, I find it rather entertaining that you've been talking up Opera 
Mini as this great success, and now you're arguing mobile browsers are 
awkward things that nobody users much.

> > Meh. I'm on the Upper West Side, and I can spot two open access points
> > from by bedroom right now, and I've seen as many as six. Lots of home
> > users run open wireless, and many areas of Manhattan are residential
> > space above commercial space, so it's pretty easy to find a signal. I
> > suppose I'm exaggerating a little by saying there will be one on 60%
of
> > street corners, but there probably will be one within 200 ft. walking
> > distance in a lot of neighborhoods. Walk down residential side streets
> > in more affluent neighborhoods, and there might be a dozen or more on
a
> > block.
> 
> let me repat my question and maybe i'll get more than anecdotal
> stories from one neighborhood and one guy. do you have any re****ts or
> data that show free wifi access points in manhattan as a whole at
> 60%?

Kind of, yeah: 
http://wigle.net/gps/gps/GPSDB/onlinemap2/?lat1=40.77839125&long1=-73.983
898&lat2=40.75838375&long2=-73.958286

(All of those are open; color just indicates signal strength.)

Plus the Parks Department has a bunch of access points in various parks.

> and btw, stealing wifi access from your neighbor's apt does not
> constitute a valid free access point.

It's increasingly common for people to leave access points open 
deliberately.

> * eating a taco in my car while writing on my opera mini java browser.

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