Re: Opera Mini 4 versus iphone Safari

ZnU wrote:
> In article <1182790961.327116.244860@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>  asjbiotek@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > ZnU wrote:
> > > In article
> > > Do they? I have no idea what the methodology was. It could easily
count
> > > by what browser each "unique visitor" is using, which would have
> > > considerably less error than the methodology you suggest.
> >
> >
> > Ok, think again. When comparing desktop browser to desktop browser
> > using such stats is somewhat reliable, but when comparing desktop
> > browsers to mobile browsers the method will tend to undercount actual
> > users. Think about how each type of browser is used
>
> Yes, a desktop browser is probably used for more extensive browsing. But
> if you're counting unique visitors rather than raw page hits, a single
> hit from a mobile browser to fetch some s****ts scores counts as much as
> a desktop user spending half an hour reading a bunch of articles on the
> same site.

good. you are getting it. except browsing time does make a difference
because these aggregate stats don't count unique users and in general
mobile users do not go to that many website thus making it likely that
the few websites thay visit may not be counted in the stat sample. The
only valid compaisons would be desktop to desktop and mobile to
mobile.


>At least people who downloaded the thing had a
> clear interest in it. A pre-installed copy might sit on the phone of a
> user who couldn't care less, never getting used.

you got that right, which means saying that 1 million iphones were
sold this year does NOT mean there are now 1 million safari users
since the vast majority of those people won't have data plans and
internet access. this is not  blackberry where access is mandatory
(and btw opera mini is used by blackberry users too)

> Over sixteen months, the operative time period, 1000 web pages is about
> two a day, which is in the range I'd expect for a mobile browser.

let me repeat that again for you: 1. there is zero probability that
all those millions of people all downloaded opera mini 16 months ago;
(2) many mobile users use separate applications to do separate tasks
because of the awkwardness of using using browser controls on a small
device. for example for email i use another java app called google
mail mobile and for maps i use google maps mobile. the browser is NOT
as ubiquitous as in desktops.

> Meh. I'm on the Upper West Side, and I can spot two open access points
> from by bedroom right now, and I've seen as many as six. Lots of home
> users run open wireless, and many areas of Manhattan are residential
> space above commercial space, so it's pretty easy to find a signal. I
> suppose I'm exaggerating a little by saying there will be one on 60% of
> street corners, but there probably will be one within 200 ft. walking
> distance in a lot of neighborhoods. Walk down residential side streets
> in more affluent neighborhoods, and there might be a dozen or more on a
> block.

let me repat my question and maybe i'll get more than anecdotal
stories from one neighborhood and one guy. do you have any re****ts or
data that show free wifi access points in manhattan as a whole at
60%?

and btw, stealing wifi access from your neighbor's apt does not
constitute a valid free access point.

* eating a taco in my car while writing on my opera mini java browser.