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Re: Forth Philosophy

by Clever Monkey <spamtrap@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 9, 2008 at 01:56 PM

Elizabeth D Rather wrote:
> Guy Macon wrote:
>> I recently ran into some websites that seem to me to relate to or 
>> contrast to the basic philosophy behind Forth, so I thought I would 
>> share them. 
>> The Graphing Calculator Story
>> [ http://www.pacifict.com/Story/
]
>>
>> Worse Is Better
>> [ http://dreamsongs.com/WorseIsBetter.html
]
>> [ http://dreamsongs.com/Files/worse-is-worse.pdf
]
>> [ http://dreamsongs.com/Files/IsWorseReallyBetter.pdf
]
>> [ http://dreamsongs.com/Files/WorseIsBetterPositionPaper.pdf
]
>> [ http://dreamsongs.com/Files/ProWorseIsBetterPosition.pdf
]
>> [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worse_is_better
]
>>
>> The Hollywood Principle [ 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Principle
]
>>
>> ...and a couple that relate to Forth's popularity
>>
>> Models of Software Acceptance: How Winners Win
>> [ http://dreamsongs.com/Files/AcceptanceModels.pdf
]
>>
>> Money Through Innovation Reconsidered
>> [ http://dreamsongs.com/Files/Innovation.pdf
]
> 
> Thank you!  "How Winners Win" is partcularly relevant and well-done.
> 
This is an interesting critique of the received wisdom, but it falls 
into exactly the same trap in some respects.

In their argument that the best tech does not always win, they cite:

Mac vs. Wintel
Emacs vs. vi
Lisp vs. Java
....

Really?  These are the highlights of better technologies that have lost 
out that they have chosen to prove their argument?

First of all, the assumption that one of these is better technology than 
the other is specious, at best.  Second of all, best technology in what 
regard?  Are Macs really all that better?  I may think so, but what I'm 
really saying is that "Macs are better for me, as a working software 
engineer and part-time home IT person, and let's face it, when I 
switched Linux desktops sucked and Windows 2000 was a disaster."

Comparing something as broad as market share for a platform is really 
lame, as the actual patterns tend to be clumpy.  An argument can be made 
that OS X (especially) has reinforced and encouraged a sort of 
mind-share among certain var of technical people where Macs have all the 
"market share" they need.

And the Emacs vs. vi thing, well, I'm flabbergasted.

The rest of the presentation introduces similar sorts of weak 
comparisons or downright false dichotomies.  The fact that they base 
their critique on the assumption that these technologies are 
self-evidently "better" than the other, and yet did not (again, in a 
self-evident manner) "succeed" pretty much makes their entire thesis 
suspect.
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>

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 10 Posts in Topic:
Forth Philosophy
Guy Macon <http://www.  2008-05-09 16:53:06 
Re: Forth Philosophy
Elizabeth D Rather <er  2008-05-09 07:19:28 
Re: Forth Philosophy
mhx@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (M  2008-05-09 19:55:25 
Re: Forth Philosophy
Clever Monkey <spamtra  2008-05-09 13:56:19 
Re: Forth Philosophy
Elizabeth D Rather <er  2008-05-09 08:18:23 
Re: Forth Philosophy
Clever Monkey <spamtra  2008-05-09 14:32:26 
Re: Forth Philosophy
Guy Macon <http://www.  2008-05-10 07:37:23 
Re: Forth Philosophy
Guy Macon <http://www.  2008-05-10 07:13:39 
Re: Forth Philosophy
Bruce McFarling <agila  2008-05-10 06:29:43 
Re: Forth Philosophy
Guy Macon <http://www.  2008-05-10 17:56:46 

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