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Re: advantages of forth over other languages

by John Passaniti <nntp@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 7, 2008 at 08:45 PM

Bruce McFarling wrote:
> As a caution against the "not invented here" mentality ... people who
> are
> used to rolling their own solutions from scratch have to be careful
> that
> they do not fall into "can I improve this design?" mode when learning
> the pattern language in common use.

Yes, I agree with this.

I think a problem a lot of people have with design patterns is to view 
them as a kind of "cookbook solution" to a problem.  An example of a 
cookbook solution would be the kind of thing we see in comp.lang.forth 
all the time.  Someone asks a question ("how can I efficiently calculate 
the quadratic equation") and then people provide and discuss solutions.

There's nothing wrong with cookbook solutions, but as they are about 
implementation and not higher-level design, the NIH-mind can usually 
find ways to improve them.

Design patterns on the other hand tend to be things that you can't 
improve as much, because they aren't tied to a particular implementation.

The distinctions here are sometimes subtle and will be lost to anyone 
who confuses design with implementation.

> So, in other words, interpret it directly in terms of what it
> explicitly says, rather than trying to read between the lines.

I'm sorry, but even going back and reading your initial message with 
this new information, I'm still don't see that meaning as being obvious.




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Andreas Klimas <klimas  2007-10-03 00:09:20 
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"Celime" <cm  2007-10-03 16:59:11 
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John Passaniti <nntp@[  2007-10-03 17:35:37 
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Andreas Klimas <klimas  2007-10-03 23:41:47 
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John Doty <jpd@[EMAIL   2007-10-03 21:31:42 
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John Passaniti <nntp@[  2007-10-05 00:11:14 
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John Doty <jpd@[EMAIL   2007-10-04 18:54:59 
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Elizabeth D Rather <er  2007-10-04 15:54:29 
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John Doty <jpd@[EMAIL   2007-10-04 20:42:38 
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Elizabeth D Rather <er  2007-10-04 17:38:16 
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Nils-Arne Dahlberg <ni  2007-10-05 12:45:52 
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John Doty <jpd@[EMAIL   2007-10-05 12:03:05 
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kenney@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2007-10-05 06:01:01 
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Bernd Paysan <bernd.pa  2007-10-05 14:35:14 
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kenney@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2007-10-05 13:41:05 
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Bernd Paysan <bernd.pa  2007-10-06 14:01:19 
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"Celime" <cm  2007-10-05 14:41:36 
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kenney@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2007-10-05 13:41:05 
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"Celime" <cm  2007-10-05 14:32:52 
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John Doty <jpd@[EMAIL   2007-10-03 12:15:17 
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"Celime" <cm  2007-10-05 14:36:07 
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Jason Damisch <jasonda  2007-10-03 10:50:17 
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John Passaniti <nntp@[  2007-10-03 18:13:48 
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helmwo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2007-10-03 17:50:41 
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John Passaniti <nntp@[  2007-10-03 19:42:57 
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John Doty <jpd@[EMAIL   2007-10-04 06:40:55 
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Andreas Klimas <klimas  2008-04-23 00:56:57 
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John Passaniti <nntp@[  2008-04-23 22:21:34 
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Richard Owlett <rowlet  2008-04-23 20:56:47 
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John Passaniti <put-my  2008-04-23 23:55:14 
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Aleksej Saushev <asau@  2008-04-26 11:16:29 
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Clever Monkey <spamtra  2008-04-30 12:54:44 
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John Doty <jpd@[EMAIL   2008-05-01 21:58:50 
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John Passaniti <nntp@[  2008-05-02 20:58:26 
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John Passaniti <my-fir  2008-05-03 03:25:24 
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John Doty <jpd@[EMAIL   2008-05-03 11:43:40 
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John Passaniti <put-my  2008-05-04 04:54:23 
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Bernd Paysan <bernd.pa  2008-05-04 00:30:45 
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Alex McDonald <blog@[E  2008-05-03 13:06:45 
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Clever Monkey <spamtra  2008-05-07 16:12:07 
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Bruce McFarling <agila  2008-05-04 19:45:37 
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John Passaniti <my-fir  2008-05-06 04:11:01 
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Bruce McFarling <agila  2008-05-06 12:35:30 
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John Passaniti <nntp@[  2008-05-07 18:29:17 
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Bruce McFarling <agila  2008-05-07 13:14:51 
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John Passaniti <nntp@[  2008-05-07 20:45:17 
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Bruce McFarling <agila  2008-05-07 13:21:16 
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John Passaniti <nntp@[  2008-05-07 20:49:41 
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Bruce McFarling <agila  2008-05-07 15:36:51 
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Brad Eckert <nospaambr  2008-05-08 08:08:13 
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Robert Spykerman <robe  2008-05-11 20:06:29 
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dhoffman@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-11 23:48:50 
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Jerry Avins <jya@[EMAI  2008-05-12 18:43:20 
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John Passaniti <nntp@[  2008-05-13 19:52:50 
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Alex McDonald <blog@[E  2008-05-12 02:07:34 
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mhx@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (M  2007-10-03 21:51:07 
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helmwo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2007-10-03 20:00:21 
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Andreas Klimas <klimas  2007-10-03 23:52:19 
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helmwo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2007-10-03 20:04:29 
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"slava@[EMAIL PROTEC  2007-10-03 16:52:26 
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Andreas Klimas <klimas  2007-10-04 00:34:18 
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Andreas Klimas <klimas  2007-10-04 01:12:50 
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"slava@[EMAIL PROTEC  2007-10-03 16:54:14 
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Andreas Klimas <klimas  2007-10-04 00:12:13 
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stephenXXX@[EMAIL PROTECT  2007-10-04 10:40:23 
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John Doty <jpd@[EMAIL   2007-10-04 05:51:23 
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Bernd Paysan <bernd.pa  2007-10-04 15:03:58 
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John Passaniti <nntp@[  2007-10-05 01:21:18 
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Elizabeth D Rather <er  2007-10-04 15:44:56 
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znmeb <zznmeb@[EMAIL P  2007-10-06 22:09:23 
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David Thompson <dave.t  2007-10-14 23:03:24 
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John Passaniti <put-my  2007-11-01 22:02:13 
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