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Re: advantages of forth over other languages

by Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 4, 2008 at 12:30 AM

John Doty wrote:

> You just contradicted yourself. "Real genius is interdisciplinary." How,
> then, can someone restricted to programming be a genius?

Here it is again, your strange idea that a the only being that is worth
called "programmer" is the code monkey - the person that is *restricted*
to
programming, and can do nothing else (including, but not limited to "have
no social live" and "doesn't know which end of the screwdriver is the
right
one"). I don't call your experimental physicists "restricted to
experimental physic", because they certainly aren't (they also can write
programs, build hardware, do advanced math, etc.).

The job description "programmer" certainly is a simplification, but you
put
in some implicit "restricted to", which is nowhere in there. You are not
the only one who uses this limited definition of "programmer", because WP
writes "A programmer is not a software developer, software engineer,
computer scientist, or software analyst. These professions typically refer
to individuals possessing programming skills as well as other software
engineering skills. For this reason, the term programmer is sometimes
considered an insulting or derogatory oversimplification of these other
professions."

I actually don't want to get into discussions like this - all colloquial
words tried out for this profession have already ended up as derogatory,
or
even worse (like "hacker"), but that's a society problem. If you like,
translate the word "programmer" as we use it here into "software engineer"
or whatever you think a higher-valued person who's main job still is to
develop software (but not limited to enter code into the machine) could be
called.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/
 




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Andreas Klimas <klimas  2007-10-03 00:09:20 
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"Celime" <cm  2007-10-03 16:59:11 
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John Passaniti <nntp@[  2007-10-03 17:35:37 
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Andreas Klimas <klimas  2007-10-03 23:41:47 
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John Doty <jpd@[EMAIL   2007-10-03 21:31:42 
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John Passaniti <nntp@[  2007-10-05 00:11:14 
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John Doty <jpd@[EMAIL   2007-10-04 18:54:59 
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Elizabeth D Rather <er  2007-10-04 15:54:29 
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John Doty <jpd@[EMAIL   2007-10-04 20:42:38 
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Elizabeth D Rather <er  2007-10-04 17:38:16 
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Nils-Arne Dahlberg <ni  2007-10-05 12:45:52 
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John Doty <jpd@[EMAIL   2007-10-05 12:03:05 
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kenney@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2007-10-05 06:01:01 
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Bernd Paysan <bernd.pa  2007-10-05 14:35:14 
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kenney@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2007-10-05 13:41:05 
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Bernd Paysan <bernd.pa  2007-10-06 14:01:19 
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kenney@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2007-10-05 13:41:05 
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John Doty <jpd@[EMAIL   2007-10-03 12:15:17 
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helmwo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2007-10-03 17:50:41 
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John Doty <jpd@[EMAIL   2008-05-03 11:43:40 
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Bernd Paysan <bernd.pa  2008-05-04 00:30:45 
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Alex McDonald <blog@[E  2008-05-03 13:06:45 
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helmwo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2007-10-03 20:00:21 
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John Doty <jpd@[EMAIL   2007-10-04 05:51:23 
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