Re: what kind of non microconroller app are done in forth?

On Apr 20, 12:48 am, Elizabeth D Rather <erat...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> jennifer.spyker...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > It looks like WAY WAY too much work to write device drivers etc... I
> > mean, look every PC's gonna be different, you're gonna have one with
> > this network card, that GFX card etc, mmmm... PCI bus...mmm... USB...
> > Sounds like a royal pain. How you gonna cover all the devices people
> > are reasonably expected to have? Even writing drivers for just the
> > stuff you own yourself's gonna be a right pain.
>
> Writing drivers is vastly overrated as far as difficulty is concerned.
> It is waaay easier to write drivers than to interface to an OS (any OS).
>   For many years FORTH, Inc. sup****ted fully native implementations on
> PCs and various microprocessor "development systems".  We abandoned
> sup****ting a native Forth on PCs because the utility of being able to
> run other apps with minimal fuss under DOS and later Windows was more
> valuable, not only to us but to our customers.
>
> The problem isn't individual drivers, which (in a native Forth) take
> somewhere between a few hours and a few days each, it's that there's a
> virtually unlimited number of them.  Providing a general-purpose system
> that will sup****t virtually any device you throw at it is unrealistic,
> unless you have either an unlimited market (e.g. Microsoft) or vast
> number of contributors (e.g. Linux). That's the "network economy" at
> work.  We don't have it.
>
> My friend Greg Bailey still sup****ts a fully native Forth OS on PCs for
> a number of customeers (less aggressively since he started working for
> Intellasys), but at least they trust him to configure their hardware.
> And his systems only run large databases (many, many times faster than
> *nix, let alone Windows) plus email/ftp services.  They don't attempt to
> be "everything to everybody".
>
>  > Then you got to convince everyone your OS is the next great thing and
>  > to come and write drivers, utils and apps for it etc..
>
> That's the killer.
>
> Cheers,
> Elizabeth
>
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databases many times faster than unix/windows wow

I know you mentioned starting forth "not best" tutorial, what is best?