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Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)

by "Stephan Becher" <stephan.remove-this.becher@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 8, 2008 at 08:01 AM

"Bernd Paysan" <bernd.paysan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
news:guupc5-i8q.ln1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Having a library for StrongForth would probably reduce some comments
from
> non-Forthers like Q: "you don't have typechecking" A: "require
strong.fs"

That would really be nice, but I'm afraid it's not doable. As Michael
wrote, 
StrongForth is "inherently unstandard". Strong static type checking works 
only if the compiler has precise information about the stack effect of
each 
word. In StrongForth, this information is included in the dictionary. But
it 
would be difficult to add this information to a system that does not
provide 
it from the start. Even if this was possible, how to deal with a 
non-typechecking library that is included after "strong.fs"?

Furthermore, some words like ?DUP and FIND are simply incompatible with 
strong static type checking, because their stack effects are not known at 
compile time. And finally, "strong.fs" couldn't take advantage of 
overloading, because this feature introduces hundreds of additional 
incompatibilities by changing the names of many words.

Stephan




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The strengths of FORTH
"Robert Miller"  2008-03-27 15:01:14 
Re: The strengths of FORTH
Jonah Thomas <jethomas  2008-03-27 18:47:44 
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Bruce McFarling <agila  2008-03-27 18:46:42 
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Bruce McFarling <agila  2008-03-28 09:30:44 
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mhx@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (M  2008-03-28 19:21:30 
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Bruce McFarling <agila  2008-03-28 12:06:51 
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"Paul E. Bennett&quo  2008-03-27 23:21:10 
Re: The strengths of FORTH
Brad Eckert <nospaambr  2008-03-27 19:03:48 
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Jonah Thomas <jethomas  2008-03-27 22:15:25 
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Benny Andersen <a.mail  2008-03-28 09:59:05 
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"dkelvey@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-28 07:50:09 
Re: The strengths of FORTH
John Doty <jpd@[EMAIL   2008-03-28 09:25:07 
Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
anton@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-28 20:33:46 
Re: The strengths of FORTH
Bruce McFarling <agila  2008-03-28 09:42:22 
Re: The strengths of FORTH
Reinhold Straub <demar  2008-03-29 04:48:43 
Re: The strengths of FORTH
William James <w_a_x_m  2008-03-29 12:00:12 
Re: The strengths of FORTH
Reinhold Straub <demar  2008-03-30 05:59:03 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
m_l_g3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-02 01:04:50 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
"Stephan Becher"  2008-04-07 09:46:32 
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"David N. Williams&q  2008-04-07 12:20:20 
Re: Type checking
"Stephan Becher"  2008-04-07 17:30:08 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
Trey Boudreau <trey@[E  2008-04-07 10:07:45 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
Bernd Paysan <bernd.pa  2008-04-07 18:32:48 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
Trey Boudreau <trey@[E  2008-04-07 16:46:00 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
"Stephan Becher"  2008-04-08 08:01:23 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
Bernd Paysan <bernd.pa  2008-04-08 10:16:55 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
kenney@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-09 06:17:26 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
Bruce McFarling <agila  2008-04-09 07:39:32 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
"Mark W. Humphries&q  2008-04-09 09:08:39 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
Bernd Paysan <bernd.pa  2008-04-09 18:26:48 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
Doug Hoffman <no.spam&  2008-04-09 17:07:45 
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Albert van der Horst <  2008-04-10 03:49:42 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
Doug Hoffman <no.spam&  2008-04-10 06:01:45 
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Albert van der Horst <  2008-04-10 21:47:04 
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Bruce McFarling <agila  2008-04-09 09:19:33 
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John Doty <jpd@[EMAIL   2008-05-01 21:35:15 
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m_l_g3 <m_l_g3@[EMAIL   2008-04-17 17:27:21 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
anton@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-08 14:14:30 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
Bruce McFarling <agila  2008-04-08 07:18:34 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
"Stephan Becher"  2008-04-09 08:49:44 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
Bruce McFarling <agila  2008-04-08 07:29:56 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
Bruce McFarling <agila  2008-04-09 07:37:06 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
"Stephan Becher"  2008-04-10 08:04:57 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
m_l_g3 <m_l_g3@[EMAIL   2008-04-09 17:48:14 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
"Stephan Becher"  2008-04-10 07:54:14 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
Albert van der Horst <  2008-04-10 21:27:21 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
Bruce McFarling <agila  2008-04-10 03:30:01 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
m_l_g3 <m_l_g3@[EMAIL   2008-04-10 04:16:59 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
"Stephan Becher"  2008-04-10 18:53:37 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
m_l_g3 <m_l_g3@[EMAIL   2008-04-10 04:48:57 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
m_l_g3 <m_l_g3@[EMAIL   2008-04-11 05:02:01 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
Bruce McFarling <agila  2008-04-11 08:37:46 
Re: The strengths of FORTH
Mikael Nordman <oh2aun  2008-03-28 19:41:15 
Re: The strengths of FORTH
Albert van der Horst <  2008-03-28 22:26:26 
Re: The strengths of FORTH
"Robert Miller"  2008-03-29 00:19:04 
Re: The strengths of FORTH
Mikael Nordman <oh2aun  2008-03-29 09:56:25 
Re: The strengths of FORTH
Aleksej Saushev <asau@  2008-04-01 23:35:18 
Re: The strengths of FORTH
Mikael Nordman <oh2aun  2008-04-02 18:39:30 
Re: The strengths of FORTH
Aleksej Saushev <asau@  2008-04-06 18:48:28 
Re: The strengths of FORTH
Brad Eckert <nospaambr  2008-04-04 09:29:12 
Re: The strengths of FORTH / OT: SMT soldering
"Robert Miller"  2008-04-04 15:28:47 
Re: The strengths of FORTH / OT: SMT soldering
John Doty <jpd@[EMAIL   2008-04-04 13:51:24 
Re: The strengths of FORTH / OT: SMT soldering
Brad Eckert <nospaambr  2008-04-04 16:46:08 
Re: The strengths of FORTH
William James <w_a_x_m  2008-03-29 11:42:17 
Re: The strengths of FORTH
"Robert Miller"  2008-03-29 17:56:46 
Re: The strengths of FORTH
Andrew Haley <andrew29  2008-03-30 10:03:42 
Re: The strengths of FORTH
Albert van der Horst <  2008-03-30 15:10:11 
Re: The strengths of FORTH
Guy Macon <http://www.  2008-03-30 09:54:09 
Re: The strengths of FORTH
Jonah Thomas <jethomas  2008-03-30 09:59:30 
Re: The strengths of FORTH / OT: SMT soldering
spam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-05 13:49:18 
Re: Type checking (was: The strengths of FORTH)
Jonah Thomas <jethomas  2008-04-08 07:22:41 

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