Re: common place apps in forth available, for example irc, or multi

John Doty wrote:
> Richard Owlett wrote:
> > pml540114@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> Then you've effectively surrendered the point. We DO know whether
that
> >> software could have been successful - it was (I've actually used it
> >> myself). It was precisely because it was a superior product that the
> >> lawyers were brought in. "But in the end, it wasn't" is wrong - in
the
> >> end, it was litigated out of the market. P.M.Lawrence.
> >
> > Messing him up with FACTS. unfair ;)
> >
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> It is very strange. I say that "the glass is nearly empty" and somebody
> comes and says "no, no, I managed to find a drop of liquid in it", and
> all the True Believers find that to be a "fact" that invalidates my
> observation.

NO,  you're reading too much into it. Nobody ever claimed it
invalidated your assertion, all by itself (although it's rather more
of a data point than "I managed to find a drop of liquid in it",
IMHO). But if other people turn up other examples, even two or three
more like that one would probably do it.

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> Show me a collection of clean examples (compare to the thousands you can
> find in C), not just a fizzle that might have been successful in a fair
> world. Plenty of might have beens in other languages, too.

And maybe people will - but the test isn't commercial success per se,
or you could "prove" Windows etc. were superior.

VP-Planner was NOT a "might have been", except commercially. It did
all that a clone needed to do to qualify as a successful product, and
a few more things as well. Would you call Foxbase a failed dbase clone
because Microsoft bought it out and kept it in reserve against other
xbase stuff while pu****ng access? In this area, the very fact of
suppression is presumptive evidence of success. P.M.Lawrence.