Re: common place apps in forth available, for example irc, or multi

Richard Owlett wrote:
> pml540114@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>>
>> John Doty wrote:
>>
>>> pml540114@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Doty wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> gavino wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have seen that forth can do the things c can.  Are there common 
>>>>>> apps
>>>>>> for linux such as a IRC chat client, a web browser, a multi chatter
>>>>>> like pidgin? x-terminal? things like that?
>>>>>
>>>>> From its very beginning, Forth has never had much success at "me
too"
>>>>> programming. Its successes have mainly been in places where other
>>>>> techniques have either failed or not even been tried.
>>>>
>>>> That's not entirely correct. There was a Lotus 123 clone with added
>>>> functionality that was written in kforth (not the kforth you
sometimes
>>>> see posted about these days). I think it was called VP-plus, and it
>>>> was "better" as a product but defeated by legal efforts based on look
>>>> and feel. It's just that you didn't hear much about the Forth side of
>>>> clone efforts like that. It mwould certainly be interesting to see
its
>>>> source...
>>>
>>> So we don't actually know whether that software could have been
>>> successful. But in the end, it wasn't. That's the best you can come up
>>> with? I rest my case.
>>
>>
>> Then you've effectively surrendered the point. We DO know whether that
>> software could have been successful - it was (I've actually used it
>> myself). It was precisely because it was a superior product that the
>> lawyers were brought in. "But in the end, it wasn't" is wrong - in the
>> end, it was litigated out of the market. P.M.Lawrence.
> 
> Messing him up with FACTS. unfair ;)
> 

It is very strange. I say that "the glass is nearly empty" and somebody 
comes and says "no, no, I managed to find a drop of liquid in it", and 
all the True Believers find that to be a "fact" that invalidates my 
observation.

Show me a collection of clean examples (compare to the thousands you can 
find in C), not just a fizzle that might have been successful in a fair 
world. Plenty of might have beens in other languages, too.

-- 
John Doty, Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
http://www.noqsi.com/
--
History teaches that logical consistency is neither sufficient nor 
necessary to establish practical, real world truth. Those who attempt to 
use logic for that purpose are abusing it.