Re: Eiffel's Future?

>
> >> I can't believe that's the only reason. There has to be more.
>
> > You have no idea what the community did for insane things.
> > This was indeed enough.
>
> Well it would be nice what to know what you'd understand under the
> community. I can not see the Eiffel users having playes havoc with it
> but well those providing the "base functionality"


Do you remember Uwe Sander and his wife? They tried hard to give
SmallEiffel
a GUI framework to make it useable for applications in there company.

But Mr. Colnet and his team didn't care about it. They pissed on all
the users,
changed there compiler and breaked backward compatibility every two
months. Just
with the argument i like this better then the other (And they had
always very
questionable changes about what is better).

Always telling us that it is his research project and he don't care
about
anything them himself and his Loria friends.

After Uwe was pissed off enough he left and Greg C and others who
worked on ELK's
gave up, because the Sanders were the workhorse of the project.

I don't know about ISE and VE because they had never a public
community. Seems there was
just a little bit Gobo which is Eric's project and was opened IMHO
after it was already
too late.

> You can still try to "revive it
from"http://sourceforge.net/projects/visualeiffel/

I could do a lot. If somebody decide to pay my living (please a little
bit over social
wellfare level). Without this it is just one more '0' and '1' sequence
in the digital
garbage dump called sourceforge.

Putting it under a BSD license would have given it a little more
chance. But the attitude
to dump it and make sure that nobody else can ever make money with it
(aka GPL'ed it) makes
me not even to think about it.


> > and SmartEiffel is not an Eiffel anymore.
>
> Well I guess the SmartEiffel developers will disagree, and tell you
> that they have the only true Eiffel.....

Yes, unfortunately i'm pretty sure that you are right here.