"Charles Hottel" <chottel@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Pete Dashwood" <dashwood@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "Charles Hottel" <chottel@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> "William M. Klein" <wmklein@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> Joe,
>>>> although it is medium old, I would suggest looking at/for:
>>>>
>>>> "Object Orientation for Cobol Programming"
>>>>
>>>> by Ray Obin. See:
>>>>
>>>>
http://www.bookfinder4u.com/IsbnSearch.aspx?isbn=1569280053&mode=direct
>>>>
>>>> I couldn't find where to buy new copies, but you might want to check
>>>> with Micro Focus to see if they have "old" copies for sale.
>>>>
>>>> This book uses "traditional" COBOL thinking to explain OO concepts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bill Klein
>>>> wmklein <at> ix.netcom.com
>>>
>>> This book is one of only two Cobol based books that I found helpful.
>>> However it was not enough for me. In particular I found the Factory
>>> concept not well explained. Also seeing how to do "OO concepts" using
>>> non-OO COBOL tends to reinforce the idea that OO is not really
anything
>>> new or different and I do not think that is helpful. It doesn't give
>>> you the feel for a language that has OO constructs built in and it
>>> doesn't give you a feell for the patterns of use of those constructs.
>>>
>>> The other book was Wilson Price's "Elements of Object Oriented COBOL".
>>> While good on the whole I think students will come away thinking that
OO
>>> is way too wordy and ***bersome. This is not really a fault of the
book
>>> but has more to do with how OO is implemented in COBOL.
>>>
>>> However I personally understood both of these much better after
learning
>>> Java. C# would also be good, but I would stay away from C++ in the
>>> beginning. I have had good experiences with books from Mike Murach.
>>> His books usually have a lot of examples showing typical business
>>> application examples:
>>>
>>> http://www.murach.com/books/java.htm
>>>
>>> http://www.murach.com/books/cs08/index.htm
>>>
>>> A lot of books introduce the concepts of inheritance, interfaces and
>>> composition so that you come away with some general understanding of
>>> them, but the examples are such that you really don't have a feel for
>>> what to use when and the various tradeoffs with each.
>>>
>>> The books "Head First Java" and "Head First Design Patterns" are very
>>> good (be sure to get the latest versions). The latter might be too
>>> advanced for beginners but you might be able to use some of the animal
>>> examples (or others) from it. It has some simple animal based
examples
>>> based on flying and quacking ducks and how to make/adapt a turkey to
>>> look like a duck etc. I really enjoyed learning the examples in this
>>> book but get the errata and chapter 9 on iterator and composite
patterns
>>> contains some buggy code. What I really liked was how they took an
>>> initial example and kept improving it using the OO design principles
>>> being introduced. Also it showed interfaces, inheritance and
composition
>>> and when to prefer or choose on over the other. Mnay books say "favor
>>> composition over inheritance" but they don't give concrete examples
that
>>> allow you to see why. This one does. I guess it sonewhat of a what
>>> comes first the chicke or the egg problem. You need some knowledge of
OO
>>> concepts to understand OO design patterns but for me I needed OO
design
>>> patterns to appreciate how the concepts are used and to see some of
>>> their power.
>>>
>>> Many people insist that it is better to learn OO design first and this
>>> might be a more language neutral approach. I don't know as I did not
>>> take that approach and I personally sometimes have trouble
understanding
>>> exactly what is meant without seeing a concrete example.
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>> This is a very helpful review, Charlie.
>>
>> I'm going to try and get this book.
>>
>> Pete.
>> --
>> "I used to write COBOL...now I can do anything."
>>>
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> You can get the code examples in C# from this url:
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http://www.wickedlysmart.com/HeadFirst/HeadFirstDesignPatterns/HeadFirstPatternsIndex.html
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Many thanks.
Pete.
--
"I used to write COBOL...now I can do anything."
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