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Re: OT: The Geek defense

by "Pete Dashwood" <dashwood@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 29, 2008 at 11:23 AM

"Howard Brazee" <howard@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:83jds3lc8rgeq2qlhsgq414nkalubfc2od@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:43:17 +1300, "Pete Dashwood"
> <dashwood@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>There MAY be certain personalities who do NOT make good programmers...
>>people who have limited attention spans, lack self discipline, and are
>>generally "flighty" , for example. Having trained programmers in various
>>companies and had a wide cross section of ethnicities, cultures, and
>>"personalities" to work with, I have arrived at the conclusion stated 
>>above.
>>almost ANYONE of reasonable intelligence and suitably motivated, can
learn
>>to program a computer, particularly in COBOL. Some will argue that
knowing
>>the language doesn't make a programmer, and I would agree. My response
to
>>that would be: given time and practice, programming is a skill that can
be
>>learned. It has always puzzled me why so many (particularly COBOL)
people
>>hesitate to make the leap to a different language, when "programming
>>ability" is an underlying skill, that really shouldn't be language
>>dependent...
>
> I've seen the argument that partial autistic people are more likely to
> be productive in programming than in, say, sales.
>
> I suspect our stereotypes are often created by leading edge
> personalities.   In most any field, those on the leading edge get
> there by being relatively obsessed with what they are interested in.
> This could be the Olympic figure skater, the musician, the Coen
> Brothers type movie maker, or the programmer.
>
> But most programming today isn't being done by leading edge people,
> obsessed with their computers.  It's done by people doing jobs then
> going home to their families and other interests.   Sort of like
> salesmen and bankers and barristas.

Amen to that... :-)

When I first decided to try and make a career in computers (1965), it
really 
annoyed me that there was such a barrier between people who understood the

technology and those who didn't.

Programmers were like sorcerers, cavorting and chanting in a mystic tongue

to invoke the demons in the machine into doing things that affected 
EVERYBODY. There were some pretty big egos around the emerging
"profession" 
of "computer programming". I remember being at a party and hearing some 
pompous ass discoursing on politics and prefacing his thoughts with 
...."Well, speaking as a computer programmer,..." as if that somehow gave 
more credence to his pronouncements :-).

The fact was that what we did had HUGE impact on the community at large,
yet 
most of them had no idea what we did and regarded it with mistrust and 
suspicion. (And most of us did nothing to change that or reasssure them,
or 
make computers more acceptable, because it was cool to be on our side of
the 
fence.)

I remember writing a program to pick racehorses (based on analysing form 
trends... nothing too clever) and making it available to all staff in the 
company. Horseracing is second only to Rugby and Cricket (first equal...)
in 
New Zealand and most of us enjoy a day at the races.  It went down very
well 
(especially when the picks came in :-)), and people used to look forward
to 
seeing what the computer was picking for the weekend.

I got to thinking about the technocracy that was emerging and wondering if

anything could be done about it.

I dreamed of a day when ANYBODY could sit down with a computer and use it
as 
easily as we use a hammer or a power drill.

Why couldn't we harness this increasing power, for the good of all and
make 
it available to all?

It makes me very glad that I have lived through an era where I saw the 
possibility of this become a reality.

Today, we have technologies that were undreamed of then; the Internet has 
changed our lives for ever, cell phone networks mean we are always in
touch, 
and we have information at our fingertips. Computer technology has been 
shrunk so it is accessible by everyone. Now we have new techniques and
tools 
that cut development time; applications can be built and deployed in a few

hours, where it used to take weeks or even months. The day when it will be

pssible to create an application by simply interacting with a friendly
user 
interface will probably happen within my lifetime. (It already has, in
some 
limited and exploratory visual applications...)

More and more of the population are growing up with and embracing computer

technology. There are 18 year olds who are more "computer literate" in 
today's technology, than many of us who have worked with computers for 
decades.  We can honestly claim we have forgetten more about computer 
programming  than they will ever learn... they simply don't need to know 
what we needed to know. I reckon that is right and proper.

From the stumbling foundations of hardware and software that our
generation 
laid down, the next generation is building something of beauty and
elegance 
that will surpass and eclipse things we could only dream of in terms of 
computer technology.

Power to the people! :-)

Pete.
-- 
"I used to write COBOL...now I can do anything."
 




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OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-26 10:46:19 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-25 21:32:14 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-26 03:35:56 
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"Judson McClendon&qu  2008-02-26 09:37:53 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
SkippyPB <swiegand@[EM  2008-02-26 11:30:06 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-27 09:36:44 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-26 19:27:37 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-28 11:16:18 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 08:13:07 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
SkippyPB <swiegand@[EM  2008-02-27 12:33:17 
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"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-28 11:21:13 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
SkippyPB <swiegand@[EM  2008-02-28 11:34:24 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-29 12:01:58 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Charles Hottel"  2008-02-28 19:24:14 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
SkippyPB <swiegand@[EM  2008-02-29 10:56:00 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-03-02 06:24:10 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Alistair <alistair@[EM  2008-02-27 12:24:28 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-28 11:52:14 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Alistair <alistair@[EM  2008-02-27 12:31:39 
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Alistair <alistair@[EM  2008-02-27 12:35:59 
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Alistair <alistair@[EM  2008-02-28 12:04:38 
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Alistair <alistair@[EM  2008-02-29 14:35:11 
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docdwarf@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-29 22:45:32 
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Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-29 20:05:29 
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Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-29 19:49:38 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-01 17:25:02 
Re: The Geek defense
"Michael Mattias&quo  2008-02-26 08:00:53 
Re: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-26 10:22:12 
Re: The Geek defense
"HeyBub" <he  2008-02-26 13:54:59 
Re: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-27 09:14:09 
Re: The Geek defense
"HeyBub" <he  2008-02-26 16:08:13 
Re: The Geek defense
"Charles Hottel"  2008-02-26 18:38:05 
Re: The Geek defense
"Michael Mattias&quo  2008-02-27 12:19:04 
Re: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-27 07:30:51 
Re: The Geek defense
Arnold Trembley <arnol  2008-02-27 06:49:01 
Re: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-28 12:10:20 
Re: The Geek defense
docdwarf@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-28 01:25:41 
Re: The Geek defense
Alistair <alistair@[EM  2008-02-27 12:21:21 
Re: The Geek defense
"Michael Mattias&quo  2008-02-27 22:20:49 
Re: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-29 12:05:47 
Re: The Geek defense
"Michael Mattias&quo  2008-02-29 06:54:06 
Re: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-01 19:14:51 
Re: The Geek defense
"Michael Mattias&quo  2008-03-01 14:32:52 
Re: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-01 12:59:50 
Re: The Geek defense
"HeyBub" <he  2008-03-01 21:31:07 
Re: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-02 10:07:00 
Re: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-03 10:06:44 
Re: The Geek defense
"HeyBub" <he  2008-03-03 18:38:45 
Re: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-03 21:06:30 
Re: The Geek defense
docdwarf@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-04 10:16:26 
Re: The Geek defense
"HeyBub" <he  2008-03-04 07:49:19 
Re: The Geek defense
docdwarf@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-04 16:04:32 
Re: The Geek defense
"Judson McClendon&qu  2008-03-02 08:17:19 
Re: The Geek defense
"Michael Mattias&quo  2008-03-02 09:57:48 
Re: The Geek defense
Alistair <alistair@[EM  2008-02-28 12:05:25 
Re: The Geek defense
Alistair <alistair@[EM  2008-02-29 14:37:34 
Re: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-29 20:22:14 
Re: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-01 19:25:20 
Re: The Geek defense
"William M. Klein&qu  2008-03-01 07:25:20 
Re: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-01 23:55:43 
Re: The Geek defense
"Michael Mattias&quo  2008-03-01 14:32:52 
Re: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-01 12:59:49 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-26 21:23:19 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-28 11:43:17 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Clark F Morris <cfmpub  2008-02-27 21:08:37 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-28 15:26:12 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Michael Mattias&quo  2008-02-28 13:19:18 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Judson McClendon&qu  2008-02-28 07:36:14 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 08:10:55 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 08:10:01 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 08:06:17 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-29 11:23:47 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-27 21:26:41 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-28 11:10:59 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-28 20:02:24 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
billg999@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-28 15:26:24 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-29 10:47:20 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Judson McClendon&qu  2008-02-28 16:45:06 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-29 13:48:52 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Clark F Morris <cfmpub  2008-02-28 22:58:17 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-29 17:11:33 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-29 08:36:54 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-01 19:08:04 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Charles Hottel"  2008-03-01 10:57:00 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-02 09:09:29 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-01 17:31:25 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Charles Hottel"  2008-03-01 22:17:59 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-02 18:41:40 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Charles Hottel"  2008-03-02 08:27:34 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-03 12:59:09 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-03 08:20:49 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-01 17:29:58 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-28 19:16:00 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-29 08:34:14 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
billg999@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-28 15:30:17 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-28 19:19:34 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-29 11:27:06 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-28 19:35:40 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 12:53:18 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-29 11:55:25 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-28 23:04:39 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-29 06:12:00 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-29 08:07:22 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Clark F Morris <cfmpub  2008-02-29 16:28:24 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-29 19:34:15 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-01 18:58:45 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-01 12:59:49 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-01 17:22:05 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-01 17:20:22 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
billg999@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-29 12:47:41 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-29 08:40:56 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-29 19:56:59 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Judson McClendon&qu  2008-02-29 15:39:13 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-01 17:16:18 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
SkippyPB <swiegand@[EM  2008-03-02 11:23:45 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-01 12:59:49 
Re: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-03-01 22:01:03 
Re: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-01 17:36:49 
Re: The Geek defense
docdwarf@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-02 01:45:15 
Re: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-03 08:36:52 
Re: The Geek defense
docdwarf@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-03 16:00:47 
Re: The Geek defense
"Judson McClendon&qu  2008-03-02 08:28:48 
Re: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-03 08:49:11 
Re: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-02 00:20:06 
Re: The Geek defense
SkippyPB <swiegand@[EM  2008-03-02 11:31:32 
Re: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-02 14:47:28 
Re: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-03 13:07:01 
Re: The Geek defense
SkippyPB <swiegand@[EM  2008-03-03 10:39:57 
Re: The Geek defense
"Judson McClendon&qu  2008-03-02 08:26:32 
Re: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-03 08:51:09 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-03-01 22:12:22 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-01 23:48:36 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Judson McClendon&qu  2008-03-02 08:09:39 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
docdwarf@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-02 23:13:55 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Judson McClendon&qu  2008-03-02 19:04:09 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-03 12:34:57 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Judson McClendon&qu  2008-03-02 19:08:14 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-03 23:37:34 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-02 18:55:40 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-03 23:40:06 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-03 08:16:22 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-03 12:45:19 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-03 17:46:27 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-04 10:49:18 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-03 15:03:08 
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