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Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements

by "Pete Dashwood" <dashwood@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 29, 2008 at 10:21 AM

"Howard Brazee" <howard@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:60kds353b7f9nkqjphund2g8q3t34b3g2i@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:51:24 +1300, "Pete Dashwood"
> <dashwood@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>I still think that the paradigm is im****tant and that means Java will
have 
>>a
>>place, for a lot longer than COBOL.
>
> Than CoBOL will, or than CoBOL has?

I can't see ANY other language (with the possible exception of FORTRAN; 
successful because it is ideally adapted to the niche it serves...) having

as long a life as COBOL has and will.

If widespread in-house COBOL development ceases by 2015 (as I have 
consistently predicted since 1997), COBOL will have had a "useful
lifetime" 
of  56 years.

Java would be pu****ng to match this. I believe there are things in the 
pipeline which will revolutionize how computer applications are developed,

and I still believe that ultimately, users will simply interact with smart

software to achieve the results they want. "Programming" as we understand
it 
now, in the sequential Von Neumann model, will not be necessary or 
desirable.

Computer programming was a 20th century phenomenon. (I realise that people

who are working right now on maintaining last century's code will smile at

that :-) but I still believe it to be largely true.)

We are seeing more and more powerful development systems emerging, and
these 
systems require more conceptual understanding than grunt level code.

Recently, I watched a team of three people from MicroSoft New Zealand 
demonstrate the building of a complete Web based application, from
scratch, 
in two hours, using the new tools currently being launched (Visual Studio 
2008, Server 2008, and SQL Server 2008). This wasn't just a few web pages 
cobbled together in HTML, it was a complete, fully functional application 
that tracked an ongoing tour, with clickable maps, images and videos, and 
full database search and sup****t. It employed Ajax and Silverlight and
even 
with very little knowledge of these products I could see what they were 
doing. Two hours. From absolutely nothing. I remember when this would have

been a three or four week job.

Todays programmers are growing up with smart tools that simply generate
what 
is needed when it is needed. The language is irrelevant. Scripting holds
it 
together and can be changed on the fly. There is no requirement for "low 
level" programming. (I think it was Tim who noted in a recent post that
many 
CS graduates can't program; ....they don't need to...) The world is 
changing. Rapidly. And this is just the beginning.

For myself, I still enjoy sitting down and writing code to build
application 
components that will then be glued together. But I wouldn't delude myself 
into thinking that this approach will be pertinent in tomorrow's world...
It 
won't be.

Fortunately, I probably won't be around to grieve over it... :-)

Pete.
-- 
"I used to write COBOL...now I can do anything."
 




 35 Posts in Topic:
Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
"William M. Klein&qu  2008-02-26 21:24:10 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
Clark F Morris <cfmpub  2008-02-27 19:35:28 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-28 14:51:24 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-27 22:49:40 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
"Judson McClendon&qu  2008-02-28 07:42:42 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-28 12:33:46 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 12:10:38 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-29 09:48:05 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 14:33:13 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
docdwarf@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-28 22:13:55 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-29 13:07:12 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
docdwarf@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-29 01:56:52 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-29 08:46:29 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
docdwarf@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-28 22:05:48 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-28 18:34:31 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-29 08:48:37 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-29 20:47:49 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
docdwarf@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-01 08:20:18 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-01 12:59:50 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
docdwarf@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-01 23:44:39 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-02 10:14:21 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
docdwarf@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-02 23:37:47 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-03 10:12:27 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-03 10:09:50 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
docdwarf@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-28 10:19:48 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 08:15:31 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-29 10:21:17 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-28 18:40:47 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-29 14:00:49 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
"William M. Klein&qu  2008-02-28 06:10:28 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
Clark F Morris <cfmpub  2008-02-28 13:22:25 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
Alistair <alistair@[EM  2008-02-28 11:29:41 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-28 19:40:42 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 12:57:31 
Re: Today (Feb 26) IBM announcements
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-28 23:13:25 

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