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Re: OT: The Geek defense

by "Pete Dashwood" <dashwood@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 28, 2008 at 11:43 AM

"tim" <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:13s90q7r1bvfj36@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:36:44 +1300, Pete Dashwood wrote:
>
>> "tim" <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>
>>> You must be pretty good if you can write 15,000 lines of
>>> multi-processing kernel code in a weekend.
>>
>> Well, leaving aside the fact that I AM pretty good :-), it was said
with
>> tongue-in-cheek...:-)
>>
>> As a matter of record, I once wrote a complete access method for a
>> mainframe in a Bank, over a weekend...
>>
>> This is the size of the ext3
>>> file system which is the predominant file system used in Linux.
>
> That was not multi-processing kernel code. That's at another level
> of difficulty entirely. From your description, your code assumed a file
> system already in place and assumed an access method (RRDS) already in
> place. Not that that's a bad thing - the "Google File System" does much
> the same thing.
>
> The equivalent to a Linux file system would be to start with a bare disk
> and the startio macro and an assembler. You need to make sure your code
is
> proof against timing errors, it must perform really well for a huge
> variety of system architectures (eg Numa with 1024 CPUs through an ASUS
> EEE on a Celeron) and applications, and it must be hacker-proof.
>
>> Like I said, my comment was not meant seriously...
>
> I understood that, though it struck me that that the possibility existed
> that you were just pretending to be tongue in cheek so you could show
off
> while maintaining plausible deniability. The content of the parent post
to
> this one may shed some light on this possibility.

Get a life! Do you think I care enough about posts to CLC to be THAT 
devious?

I assure you, I don't. It was a flippant comment intended to
be...flippant.

As for showing off, I don't think I'm any more guilty of that than other 
posters here... perhaps, the kind who might teach their Grandmothers to
suck 
eggs by explaining where one might start if one decided to write a Linux 
file system... :-)

>
> Reiser's file system is a considerable achievement and probably
qualifies
> him as a geek. By the way Reiser's file system is actually a lot bigger
> than ext3 - not sure whether that's a point in its favour or not. The
fact
> that other people on the kernel mailing list trenchantly criticised it
is
> neither here nor there - such a style of comment is pretty standard
there.
>

I believe some of the criticisms were valid.

>>> His attorney's tactics smack of desperation I think. But I have no
idea
>>> whether he did it.
>>
>> Yes, I agree. I also have no idea whether he did it and would not make
>> any kind of judgement until I had reviewed the evidence.
>>
>> Nevertheless, it is an "interesting" defence...
>>
>> Pete.
>
> I suppose the attorney is trying to make the point that the Hans is a
> different person. So the jury member should not assume that Hans would
> behave like them. This is a reasonable and valid point IMHO.
>
> Some have claimed here that programming ability is orthogonal to
> personality.

I haven't claimed that here, but I definitely believe there is no
particular 
"personality" who makes a good programmer.

There MAY be certain personalities who do NOT make good programmers... 
people who have limited attention spans, lack self discipline, and are 
generally "flighty" , for example. Having trained programmers in various 
companies and had a wide cross section of ethnicities, cultures, and 
"personalities" to work with, I have arrived at the conclusion stated
above. 
almost ANYONE of reasonable intelligence and suitably motivated, can learn

to program a computer, particularly in COBOL. Some will argue that knowing

the language doesn't make a programmer, and I would agree. My response to 
that would be: given time and practice, programming is a skill that can be

learned. It has always puzzled me why so many (particularly COBOL) people 
hesitate to make the leap to a different language, when "programming 
ability" is an underlying skill, that really shouldn't be language 
dependent...


>From my research and experience this is not the case.

Then I'd very much like to see your research and experience.

>For
> example, the incidence of autism in the children of Microsoft employees
is
> so high that MSFT has a special program for autistic children (geeks
> breeding with geeks).

Please cite a source for such an appalling claim. It may be that the 
incidence of autism amongst the children of MS employees is no higher than

it is amongst IBM employees or any other company, but MS have applied
their 
substantial resorces to the welfare of their staff, better than some other

companies.

Pete.
-- 
"I used to write COBOL...now I can do anything."
 




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OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-26 10:46:19 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-25 21:32:14 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-26 03:35:56 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Judson McClendon&qu  2008-02-26 09:37:53 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
SkippyPB <swiegand@[EM  2008-02-26 11:30:06 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-27 09:36:44 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-26 19:27:37 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-28 11:16:18 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 08:13:07 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
SkippyPB <swiegand@[EM  2008-02-27 12:33:17 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-28 11:21:13 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
SkippyPB <swiegand@[EM  2008-02-28 11:34:24 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-29 12:01:58 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Charles Hottel"  2008-02-28 19:24:14 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
SkippyPB <swiegand@[EM  2008-02-29 10:56:00 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-03-02 06:24:10 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Alistair <alistair@[EM  2008-02-27 12:24:28 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-28 11:52:14 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Alistair <alistair@[EM  2008-02-27 12:31:39 
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Alistair <alistair@[EM  2008-02-27 12:35:59 
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Alistair <alistair@[EM  2008-02-29 14:35:11 
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Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-29 20:05:29 
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Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-29 19:49:38 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-01 17:25:02 
Re: The Geek defense
"Michael Mattias&quo  2008-02-26 08:00:53 
Re: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-26 10:22:12 
Re: The Geek defense
"HeyBub" <he  2008-02-26 13:54:59 
Re: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-27 09:14:09 
Re: The Geek defense
"HeyBub" <he  2008-02-26 16:08:13 
Re: The Geek defense
"Charles Hottel"  2008-02-26 18:38:05 
Re: The Geek defense
"Michael Mattias&quo  2008-02-27 12:19:04 
Re: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-27 07:30:51 
Re: The Geek defense
Arnold Trembley <arnol  2008-02-27 06:49:01 
Re: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-28 12:10:20 
Re: The Geek defense
docdwarf@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-28 01:25:41 
Re: The Geek defense
Alistair <alistair@[EM  2008-02-27 12:21:21 
Re: The Geek defense
"Michael Mattias&quo  2008-02-27 22:20:49 
Re: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-29 12:05:47 
Re: The Geek defense
"Michael Mattias&quo  2008-02-29 06:54:06 
Re: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-01 19:14:51 
Re: The Geek defense
"Michael Mattias&quo  2008-03-01 14:32:52 
Re: The Geek defense
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Re: The Geek defense
"HeyBub" <he  2008-03-01 21:31:07 
Re: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-02 10:07:00 
Re: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-03 10:06:44 
Re: The Geek defense
"HeyBub" <he  2008-03-03 18:38:45 
Re: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-03 21:06:30 
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docdwarf@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-04 10:16:26 
Re: The Geek defense
"HeyBub" <he  2008-03-04 07:49:19 
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docdwarf@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-04 16:04:32 
Re: The Geek defense
"Judson McClendon&qu  2008-03-02 08:17:19 
Re: The Geek defense
"Michael Mattias&quo  2008-03-02 09:57:48 
Re: The Geek defense
Alistair <alistair@[EM  2008-02-28 12:05:25 
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Alistair <alistair@[EM  2008-02-29 14:37:34 
Re: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-29 20:22:14 
Re: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-01 19:25:20 
Re: The Geek defense
"William M. Klein&qu  2008-03-01 07:25:20 
Re: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-01 23:55:43 
Re: The Geek defense
"Michael Mattias&quo  2008-03-01 14:32:52 
Re: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-01 12:59:49 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-26 21:23:19 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-28 11:43:17 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Clark F Morris <cfmpub  2008-02-27 21:08:37 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-28 15:26:12 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Michael Mattias&quo  2008-02-28 13:19:18 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Judson McClendon&qu  2008-02-28 07:36:14 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 08:10:55 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 08:10:01 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 08:06:17 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-29 11:23:47 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-27 21:26:41 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-28 11:10:59 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-28 20:02:24 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
billg999@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-28 15:26:24 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-29 10:47:20 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Judson McClendon&qu  2008-02-28 16:45:06 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-29 13:48:52 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Clark F Morris <cfmpub  2008-02-28 22:58:17 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-29 17:11:33 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-29 08:36:54 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-01 19:08:04 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Charles Hottel"  2008-03-01 10:57:00 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-02 09:09:29 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-01 17:31:25 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Charles Hottel"  2008-03-01 22:17:59 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-02 18:41:40 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Charles Hottel"  2008-03-02 08:27:34 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-03 12:59:09 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-03 08:20:49 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-01 17:29:58 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-28 19:16:00 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-29 08:34:14 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
billg999@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-28 15:30:17 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-28 19:19:34 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-29 11:27:06 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-28 19:35:40 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 12:53:18 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-02-29 11:55:25 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-28 23:04:39 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-29 06:12:00 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-29 08:07:22 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Clark F Morris <cfmpub  2008-02-29 16:28:24 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-29 19:34:15 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-01 18:58:45 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-01 12:59:49 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-01 17:22:05 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-01 17:20:22 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
billg999@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-29 12:47:41 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-29 08:40:56 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-29 19:56:59 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Judson McClendon&qu  2008-02-29 15:39:13 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-01 17:16:18 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
SkippyPB <swiegand@[EM  2008-03-02 11:23:45 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-01 12:59:49 
Re: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-03-01 22:01:03 
Re: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-01 17:36:49 
Re: The Geek defense
docdwarf@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-02 01:45:15 
Re: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-03 08:36:52 
Re: The Geek defense
docdwarf@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-03 16:00:47 
Re: The Geek defense
"Judson McClendon&qu  2008-03-02 08:28:48 
Re: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-03 08:49:11 
Re: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-02 00:20:06 
Re: The Geek defense
SkippyPB <swiegand@[EM  2008-03-02 11:31:32 
Re: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-02 14:47:28 
Re: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-03 13:07:01 
Re: The Geek defense
SkippyPB <swiegand@[EM  2008-03-03 10:39:57 
Re: The Geek defense
"Judson McClendon&qu  2008-03-02 08:26:32 
Re: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-03 08:51:09 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
tim <TimJ@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-03-01 22:12:22 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-01 23:48:36 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Judson McClendon&qu  2008-03-02 08:09:39 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
docdwarf@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-02 23:13:55 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Judson McClendon&qu  2008-03-02 19:04:09 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-03 12:34:57 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Judson McClendon&qu  2008-03-02 19:08:14 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-03 23:37:34 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-02 18:55:40 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-03 23:40:06 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-03 08:16:22 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-03 12:45:19 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Robert <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-03 17:46:27 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
"Pete Dashwood"  2008-03-04 10:49:18 
Re: OT: The Geek defense
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-03 15:03:08 
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