On 24 Feb, 03:28, Robert <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:40:41 -0800 (PST), Alistair
<alist...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >On 23 Feb, 23:17, "tlmfru" <la...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> Wasn't talking about "man-made" GW. =A0But "people" do really believe
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his -
> >> just not enough of them and espeicially not the right ones. =A0It
isn't=
> >> cynical to say that as long as profits are threatened by taking
anti-GW=
> >> efforts, none will happen. =A0One very simple thing that everyone can
d=
o,
> >> without affecting their lifestyle, is to dump all
gasoline/diesel/propa=
ne
> >> home & garden appliances in favour of electrically-driven ones.
=A0Lawn=
> >> mowers, garden tractors, leaf blowers, edge trimmers - etc., etc.
=A0(F=
or my
> >> fellow dwellers in climates with snow I specifically exempt snow
blower=
s!)
>
> >> PL
>
> >> tim <T...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>
> >>news:13s0t5fmvg1bg21@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:35:24 -0600, tlmfru wrote:
>
> >> > > Well, if you think "global warming" is just a red-flag "loaded
phra=
se",
> >> > > let's hear your answer to the question:
>
> >> > > Glaciers, sea ice covers, and ice caps are melting all over the
wor=
ld.
> >> (Not
> >> > > all of them, but most - over 70%, I'd say). =A0See the February
iss=
ue of
> >> > > Scientific American. =A0If it's not global warming that's causing
a=
ll
> >> this,
> >> > > what is?
>
> >> > > PL
>
> >> > If people believe Man Made Global Warming is true, why don't they
do
> >> > anything effective about it? The Kyoto protocol will have a
negligibl=
e
> >> > effect, and there has been little progress on a replacement treaty.
A=
> >> > reduction of 80-90% in carbon emissions by industrialized nations
wou=
ld be
> >> > required. This is what is needed to produce an overall 50%
reductions=
> >> > because 3rd world emissions are rising rapidly. To put this level
of
> >> > reductions in context, 10% of your household electricity
consumption
> >> > consists of appliances on standby.
>
> >> > If people really believed this, we would see radically different
> >> > behavior. Eg a massive switch to nuclear for electricity and
> >> > nuclear-generated hydrogen for trans****t. Greenhouse taxes to
create =
the
> >> > right incentives across the economy.
>
> >When I was at school I was taught that any bio/chemical process was
> >inefficient and that by converting any thermal source to kinetic power
> >would, at best be 10% efficient.
>
> Ordinary coal and natural gas power plants are 38% efficient. The next
gen=
eration are 55%
> efficient.
>
> > So, we use petrol to provide an
> >immediate source of power, loss 90% efficiency.
>
> The average for internal combustion engines is 20%. Under ideal
conditions=
, it can be 40%.
> Theoretical models claim they can achieve 55%.
>
> > If we convert nuclear
> >to heat to electricity to power we lose 90% converting nuclear to
> >steam, more converting steam to electricity, more carrying the
> >electricity through pylon cables and even more converting to power at
> >the users end.
>
> Did you know the US produces more nuclear power than France or any other
c=
ountry?
>
> Did you know China is building two new coal-fueled power plants EVERY
DAY?=
Did you know
> the Kyoto Protocol imposes reductions only on developed countries;
China, =
India and Brazil
> can increase CO2 pollution as much as they want?
>
> Social engineering programs like global warming ALWAYS have an unseen
spon=
sor who benefits
> economically. Organized movements are never altruistic, although they
are =
presented that
> way. In the case of global warming, the beneficiaries are developing
count=
ries, primarilly
> China.
>
> I think the ever gullible American public are being sold a story crafted
b=
y money
> managers.- Hide quoted text -
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I think the western world is going to have to introduce im****t taxes
on products from countries which are not subject to the Kyoto treaty,
Otherwise we just move production to the east for no benefit. And that
is no solution to global warming.
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