Re: lcc first experience

On May 8, 1:55 pm, Keith Thompson <ks...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> jacob navia <ja...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
> > Walter Roberson wrote:
> > [snip]
>
> >> I must therefore disagree with the claim that,
>
> >>> all statements have side-
> >>> effects.
>
> >> as there are numerous C statements possible that have no side-
> >> effects.
>
> > Yes, and like all regulars you play with words. Try to write a program
> > consisting of only
>
> > jumps
> > labels
> > empty lists
> > constants
>
> > You know perfectly well what the intent of the sentence was, and
> > you just want to show how clever you are.
>
> > GRANTED!
>
> > You are VERY CLEVER. I am astonished at your IQ.
>
> > Now, let's try not to be silly OK?
>
> Yes, let's try just a little bit harder not to be silly.
>
> The quoted statement:
>
>     ... all statements have side-effects ...
>
> was not, as far as I could tell, a metaphor, a figure of speech, a
> deliberate exaggeration for effect, or anything other than a simple
> literal statement that happened to be factually incorrect.
>
> Somehow you seem to have interpreted "all statements have
> side-effects" to mean something like "all, or nearly all, C programs
> contain statements with side-effects".  That's a very different
> statement, one that the previous poster easily could have made if he
> had chosen to do so.  Or perhaps you interpreted it in some other way;
> it's hard to tell.
>
> I found Walter's refutation unnecessarily long-winded.  It would have
> been more than sufficient to present
>     ;
> or
>     x;
> (where x is a non-volatile object) as a counterexample.
>
> I haven't mentioned the name of the person who made the statement,
> since I have no desire to make a huge deal out of what was probably a
> simple mistake.  (I'm making a somewhat bigger deal out of your
> reaction to it.)  But I am somewhat curious about what the previous
> poster actually meant to say.
>
> This is not about "playing with words". It's about using words to
> communicate.

"Communicate" thing ends after first three lines of the "2+2=4"
essay. The rest ten pages of stuff full of quotes from the C
standard and anecdotes about I-wont-tell-name are what I call
bull****, and what Jacob calls "playing with words". I am making
a somewhat big deal out of your selective seeing things (like
anybody cares about who makes a big deal of what).

Yevgen