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Re: Mainframe near history (IBM 3380 and 3880 docs)

by Steve Myers <smyers@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 4, 2006 at 07:35 PM

I remember visiting a place with one hooked to a 360/75.  "Wow," I said, 
"400 megabytes."  The response was, "No, 200.  Everything is backed up!"

Chuck Stevens wrote:
> The US Veterans Administration Data Processing Center in Austin, Texas
had 
> *at least* three -- maybe at one point five -- of these beasts (one on a

> 360/40, two on a 360/65, maybe two more at one point on a 360/50)..
> 
> I was an operator on those systems at the time -- late 1960's.
> 
> Although speed was a big problem with the (as I recall) 2321 Data Cell 
> Drive, a bigger problem was reliability. They had a nasty tendency to 
> "crunch" strips, and when that happened, the strip had to be recreated
from 
> backup.   This was virtually a daily occurrence in our shop.  I think we
had 
> a fully-2321-trained IBM engineers on site for two of the three ****fts,
and 
> another on call for the third ****ft, seven days a week.
> 
> The first heavy production jobs -- I can't remember whether it was
logistics 
> & supply or VA ****tfolio loans -- took something like ten hours for the 
> daily processing on a 360/65, if it ran successfully.  It didn't usually
do 
> so, and after a month of trying we were a month behind.  At that point,
each 
> 400mb 2321 was replaced by a pair of "pizza-oven" 2314's with about the
same 
> 400MB capacity, and much greater speed and reliability.  Daily
processing 
> dropped to three hours or less, and restorations from backup were almost

> unheard of.
> 
> Part of the difficulty, I think, was that they used the devices for ISAM

> files with the indices in three of the ten bins and the data in the
other 
> seven, so every record access required a "double pick", one on each side
of 
> the array of strips.  This was an application design issue; the device
works 
> fine for "online inquiry", but not as a batch DASD device.
> 
> I think the Texas Department of Public Safety also had one or more of
these; 
> from what I heard at the time their (occasional online inquiry)
application 
> was better suited to the device than the VA's were.
> 
>     -Chuck Stevens
> 
> 
> 
> <mauzbiz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
> news:1146781586.864406.79400@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Worth remembering for "musem-quality" items is the mid-1960's IBM
>> random access "data cell", scarcely known and little deployed, that was
>> like a round carousel juke box that spun hundreds of magnetic strips
>> around until the chosen one was wrapped around a read/write head from
>> whence data could be read or to which data could be written.  The
>> device had a capacity of 400 megabytes, far more random access storage
>> than most shops had online at any given time, and could access any data
>> in a few seconds. But it was expensive and I suspect attracted little
>> interest because most applications in those days were happily running
>> with an input tape, transaction tape or cards, and an output tape, and
>> companies were only beginning to explore random access files for
>> certain limited purposes, given the cost per megabyte.
>>
>> RCA had a version of this type of device, which, under certain
>> cir***stances of motion (back and forth), would inadvertently drop some
>> of its strips out the back of the machine, and some clever techie
>> programmed such a sequence and then announced to the operator "I've
>> lost one of my strips, could you please come over and help me out."
>>
>> I remember our IBM data cell from a summer job at California Western
>> States Life Insurance Company in Sacramento in 1966.
>>
>> It would be fascinating to bring into a musem such a first attempt at
>> leapfrogging the extremely limited 7 megabyte limitation that most
>> random access devices (usually removable disk pack drives) had even
>> into the late 1960's.  Like bubble memory, its capabilities were
>> surpassed by other technological improvements and it never found a
>> significant niche.
>>
> 
>
 




 8 Posts in Topic:
Re: Mainframe near history (IBM 3380 and 3880 docs)
mauzbiz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-05-04 15:26:26 
Re: Mainframe near history (IBM 3380 and 3880 docs)
"Chuck Stevens"  2006-05-04 16:01:20 
Re: Mainframe near history (IBM 3380 and 3880 docs)
Steve Myers <smyers@[E  2006-05-04 19:35:49 
Re: Mainframe near history (IBM 3380 and 3880 docs)
Anne & Lynn Wheeler &  2006-05-04 20:07:35 
Re: Mainframe near history (IBM 3380 and 3880 docs)
"Chuck Stevens"  2006-05-05 07:43:11 
Re: Mainframe near history (IBM 3380 and 3880 docs)
Joe Morris <jcmorris@[  2006-05-08 12:22:29 
Re: Mainframe near history (IBM 3380 and 3880 docs)
"Bill Ogden" &l  2006-05-05 11:13:08 
Re: Mainframe near history (IBM 3380 and 3880 docs)
"Robert Harrison&quo  2006-05-06 01:46:10 

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