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Re: S/360

by "Tom Linden" <tom@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jan 19, 2006 at 02:25 PM

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:31:46 -0500, John W. Kennedy  
<jwkenne@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> Randy Hudson wrote:
>> In article <pqizf.1906$EU3.1442@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>>  John W. Kennedy <jwkenne@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> When I last looked, 27 + 1 + 7 + 1 = 36.
>>>>> Are you under the impression that the 704 series had a 35-bit word  
>>>>> with
>>>>> a parity bit?
>>>> You said 36 bits earlier.
>>> Yes, I did, because it /did/ have 36. But your breakdown above  
>>> includes an extra 1-bit field that cannot be accounted for.
>>  There's two sign bits: sign of mantissa, and sign of exponent.   
>> "Excess"
>> representation of the exponent hides the explicit sign, but the bit is 

>> still
>> effectively a sign.
>
> In forty years, I have yet to see one single hardware manual that  
> describes it so.
>
>> Also, with binary floating point, a normalized mantissa would always  
>> have a
>> 1 as the leftmost bit, so in most implementations, that's assumed and
>> overwritten by the sign bit.
>
> That's a relatively modern sophistication, and definitely not applicable
 
> to the vacuum-tube and discrete-transistor eras.
>
I don't believe that is true, I believe most floating point  
representations that
have used a binary exponent have suppressed the leading one to obtain one 

more
bit of accuracy.  But with a radix 16 exponent you can't. of course do  
that.

Not sure how far this goes back in time, but i bet it is to the 50's  
anyway.
 




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Re: S/360
hancock4@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2006-01-13 09:25:48 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-13 15:26:11 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-13 23:28:44 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-13 19:30:47 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-01-14 02:00:48 
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"Donald L. Dobbs&quo  2006-01-14 11:53:14 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-15 14:25:08 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-15 11:46:34 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-01-16 00:26:15 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-16 23:28:40 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-16 23:28:41 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-16 20:11:37 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-01-16 19:28:21 
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"Tom Linden" &l  2006-01-16 20:19:01 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-01-16 21:59:58 
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multicsfan <multicsfan  2006-01-17 13:01:21 
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Dan Nagle <dannagle@[E  2006-01-17 13:35:59 
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multicsfan <multicsfan  2006-01-17 21:09:17 
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Dan Nagle <dannagle@[E  2006-01-17 22:00:29 
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multicsfan <multicsfan  2006-01-17 22:11:17 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-01-17 19:11:38 
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multicsfan <multicsfan  2006-01-18 04:18:15 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-01-17 21:00:10 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-18 13:27:46 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-17 21:18:17 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-17 22:16:30 
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ime@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (R  2006-01-19 06:31:58 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-19 11:31:46 
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"Tom Linden" &l  2006-01-19 14:25:29 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-21 00:11:31 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-22 02:11:29 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-21 23:53:43 
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ararghmail601NOSPAM@[EMAI  2006-01-21 23:45:18 
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"Tom Lake" <  2006-01-22 07:27:13 
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ararghmail601NOSPAM@[EMAI  2006-01-22 02:45:39 
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"Tom Lake" <  2006-01-22 10:26:38 
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ararghmail601NOSPAM@[EMAI  2006-01-22 05:33:34 
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Bob Lidral <l1dralspam  2006-01-22 09:05:28 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-22 12:39:26 
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"Tom Lake" <  2006-01-22 18:07:39 
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Bob Lidral <l1dralspam  2006-01-23 01:47:44 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-22 12:37:49 
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"R. Vowels" <  2006-01-24 14:25:07 
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"robin" <rob  2006-02-02 23:36:41 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-01-19 20:14:04 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-20 00:14:17 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-20 00:14:16 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-21 00:22:49 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-22 02:11:31 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-21 23:59:22 
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"R. Vowels" <  2006-01-24 14:25:08 
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"robin" <rob  2006-04-08 03:34:11 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-04-07 22:16:04 
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"robin" <rob  2006-04-10 01:05:09 
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"Tom Linden" &l  2006-04-10 06:34:38 
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Binyamin Dissen <posti  2006-04-10 19:51:31 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-04-10 17:48:54 
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"James J. Weinkam&qu  2006-04-10 23:15:40 
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"robin" <rob  2006-05-25 12:58:54 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-05-26 17:41:26 
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"James J. Weinkam&qu  2006-05-27 05:12:32 
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ime@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (R  2006-05-27 08:45:31 
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"robin" <rob  2006-05-25 12:58:54 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-05-25 13:49:57 
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"robin" <rob  2006-05-29 00:37:01 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-05-28 17:41:27 
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"robin" <rob  2006-05-30 00:03:10 
Re: S/360
Steve Myers <noone@[EM  2006-05-31 21:16:13 
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"robin" <rob  2006-06-01 22:06:11 
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"robin" <rob  2006-06-02 23:27:59 
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Steve Myers <noone@[EM  2006-06-03 12:19:30 
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"robin" <rob  2006-06-07 10:58:32 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-06-07 13:59:32 
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"robin" <rob  2006-06-10 22:47:44 
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"robin" <rob  2006-06-01 22:06:11 
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"robin" <rob  2006-02-03 15:05:02 
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"Sven Pran" <  2006-01-14 01:32:19 
Re: S/360
"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-13 19:49:54 
Re: S/360
multicsfan <multicsfan  2006-01-14 00:22:28 

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