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Re: S/360

by multicsfan <multicsfan@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jan 14, 2006 at 12:22 AM

The ones I know are:

(precision is single/double)

GE 600 (later Honeywell 6000) were 36/72 bits  ascii based character 
set, either 6/6 bit or 4/9 bit per word.  (Multics PL/1 allowed direct 
access to EIS (Extended Instruction Set, not used by GCOS)unit which 
sup****ted 63 decimal digit maximum precision)

DEC PDP -10/20 was 36/72 bit.  ascii characters were 5/7 bit per word

Amdahl was an IBM 360/370 clone with the same instruction set  32/64 hex 
based, EBCDIC characters 4/8 bit/word.  I think there was some sup****t 
for 128 bit floating point, but it was not part of the original 360 
instruction set.

CDC and Cray(?) were 60 bit, no hardware double IIRC.  There were also 4 
special flag bits to indicate that the value was the result of things 
like division by zero, underflow, overflow (again IIRC).  10/6 bit per 
word.

I don't really know what the rest were, but I think many were either 36 
bit or machines deisgned after 360 may have been 32 bit to be more 
compatable with IBM.

John W. Kennedy wrote:

> hancock4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> 
>> John W. Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> It is very well known that the entire 360 FP feature could have used
>>> some input from numerical analysts; it's shot full of design defects.
>>
>>
>> Could you elaborate on those design defects?
>>
>> How did S/360 compare with its predecessor machines (ie 709x) regarding
>> those defects?  What differences did competitors machines--those
>> available in 1965--have compared to S/360 regarding these defects?
> 
> 
> To start with, the S/360 word was four bits shorter than the 704 word. 
> This was, at least, a strategic error, because it meant that /up/grading

> to a 360 meant, in this area, a /down/grading in function.
> 
> But the hexadecimal base further meant that the effective length of the 
> fraction was essentially 21 bits (single precision) or 53 bits (double 
> precision), rather than the superficial 24 or 56, and this was not 
> clearly understood at first.
> 
> Other problems were corrected in a massive Engineering Change, which 
> added a guard digit to double precision, added postnormalization to the 
> halve instructions HER and HDR, and changed the results returned in 
> cases of overflow and underflow.
> 
> The early competitors generally had words longer than 32 bits, but I am 
> not familiar with any of them in detail.
>
 




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Re: S/360
hancock4@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2006-01-13 09:25:48 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-13 15:26:11 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-13 23:28:44 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-13 19:30:47 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-01-14 02:00:48 
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"Donald L. Dobbs&quo  2006-01-14 11:53:14 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-15 14:25:08 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-15 11:46:34 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-01-16 00:26:15 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-16 23:28:40 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-16 23:28:41 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-16 20:11:37 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-01-16 19:28:21 
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"Tom Linden" &l  2006-01-16 20:19:01 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-01-16 21:59:58 
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multicsfan <multicsfan  2006-01-17 13:01:21 
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Dan Nagle <dannagle@[E  2006-01-17 13:35:59 
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multicsfan <multicsfan  2006-01-17 21:09:17 
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Dan Nagle <dannagle@[E  2006-01-17 22:00:29 
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multicsfan <multicsfan  2006-01-17 22:11:17 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-01-17 19:11:38 
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multicsfan <multicsfan  2006-01-18 04:18:15 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-01-17 21:00:10 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-18 13:27:46 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-17 21:18:17 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-17 22:16:30 
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ime@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (R  2006-01-19 06:31:58 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-19 11:31:46 
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"Tom Linden" &l  2006-01-19 14:25:29 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-21 00:11:31 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-22 02:11:29 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-21 23:53:43 
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ararghmail601NOSPAM@[EMAI  2006-01-21 23:45:18 
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"Tom Lake" <  2006-01-22 07:27:13 
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ararghmail601NOSPAM@[EMAI  2006-01-22 02:45:39 
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"Tom Lake" <  2006-01-22 10:26:38 
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ararghmail601NOSPAM@[EMAI  2006-01-22 05:33:34 
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Bob Lidral <l1dralspam  2006-01-22 09:05:28 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-22 12:39:26 
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"Tom Lake" <  2006-01-22 18:07:39 
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Bob Lidral <l1dralspam  2006-01-23 01:47:44 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-22 12:37:49 
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"R. Vowels" <  2006-01-24 14:25:07 
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"robin" <rob  2006-02-02 23:36:41 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-01-19 20:14:04 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-20 00:14:17 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-20 00:14:16 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-21 00:22:49 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-22 02:11:31 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-21 23:59:22 
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"R. Vowels" <  2006-01-24 14:25:08 
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"robin" <rob  2006-04-08 03:34:11 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-04-07 22:16:04 
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"robin" <rob  2006-04-10 01:05:09 
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"Tom Linden" &l  2006-04-10 06:34:38 
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Binyamin Dissen <posti  2006-04-10 19:51:31 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-04-10 17:48:54 
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"James J. Weinkam&qu  2006-04-10 23:15:40 
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"robin" <rob  2006-05-25 12:58:54 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-05-26 17:41:26 
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"James J. Weinkam&qu  2006-05-27 05:12:32 
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ime@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (R  2006-05-27 08:45:31 
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"robin" <rob  2006-05-25 12:58:54 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-05-25 13:49:57 
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"robin" <rob  2006-05-29 00:37:01 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-05-28 17:41:27 
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"robin" <rob  2006-05-30 00:03:10 
Re: S/360
Steve Myers <noone@[EM  2006-05-31 21:16:13 
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"robin" <rob  2006-06-01 22:06:11 
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"robin" <rob  2006-06-02 23:27:59 
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Steve Myers <noone@[EM  2006-06-03 12:19:30 
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"robin" <rob  2006-06-07 10:58:32 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-06-07 13:59:32 
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"robin" <rob  2006-06-10 22:47:44 
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"robin" <rob  2006-06-01 22:06:11 
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"robin" <rob  2006-02-03 15:05:02 
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"Sven Pran" <  2006-01-14 01:32:19 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-13 19:49:54 
Re: S/360
multicsfan <multicsfan  2006-01-14 00:22:28 

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