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Re: S/360

by "John W. Kennedy" <jwkenne@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jan 13, 2006 at 03:26 PM

hancock4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> John W. Kennedy wrote:
>> It is very well known that the entire 360 FP feature could have used
>> some input from numerical analysts; it's shot full of design defects.
> 
> Could you elaborate on those design defects?
> 
> How did S/360 compare with its predecessor machines (ie 709x) regarding
> those defects?  What differences did competitors machines--those
> available in 1965--have compared to S/360 regarding these defects?

To start with, the S/360 word was four bits shorter than the 704 word. 
This was, at least, a strategic error, because it meant that /up/grading 
to a 360 meant, in this area, a /down/grading in function.

But the hexadecimal base further meant that the effective length of the 
fraction was essentially 21 bits (single precision) or 53 bits (double 
precision), rather than the superficial 24 or 56, and this was not 
clearly understood at first.

Other problems were corrected in a massive Engineering Change, which 
added a guard digit to double precision, added postnormalization to the 
halve instructions HER and HDR, and changed the results returned in 
cases of overflow and underflow.

The early competitors generally had words longer than 32 bits, but I am 
not familiar with any of them in detail.

-- 
John W. Kennedy
"But now is a new thing which is very old--
that the rich make themselves richer and not poorer,
which is the true Gospel, for the poor's sake."
   -- Charles Williams.  "Judgement at Chelmsford"
 




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hancock4@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2006-01-13 09:25:48 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-13 15:26:11 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-13 23:28:44 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-13 19:30:47 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-01-14 02:00:48 
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"Donald L. Dobbs&quo  2006-01-14 11:53:14 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-15 14:25:08 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-15 11:46:34 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-01-16 00:26:15 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-16 23:28:40 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-16 23:28:41 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-16 20:11:37 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-01-16 19:28:21 
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"Tom Linden" &l  2006-01-16 20:19:01 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-01-16 21:59:58 
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multicsfan <multicsfan  2006-01-17 13:01:21 
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Dan Nagle <dannagle@[E  2006-01-17 13:35:59 
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multicsfan <multicsfan  2006-01-17 21:09:17 
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Dan Nagle <dannagle@[E  2006-01-17 22:00:29 
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multicsfan <multicsfan  2006-01-17 22:11:17 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-01-17 19:11:38 
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multicsfan <multicsfan  2006-01-18 04:18:15 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-01-17 21:00:10 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-18 13:27:46 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-17 21:18:17 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-17 22:16:30 
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ime@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (R  2006-01-19 06:31:58 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-19 11:31:46 
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"Tom Linden" &l  2006-01-19 14:25:29 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-21 00:11:31 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-22 02:11:29 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-21 23:53:43 
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ararghmail601NOSPAM@[EMAI  2006-01-21 23:45:18 
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"Tom Lake" <  2006-01-22 07:27:13 
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ararghmail601NOSPAM@[EMAI  2006-01-22 02:45:39 
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"Tom Lake" <  2006-01-22 10:26:38 
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ararghmail601NOSPAM@[EMAI  2006-01-22 05:33:34 
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Bob Lidral <l1dralspam  2006-01-22 09:05:28 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-22 12:39:26 
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"Tom Lake" <  2006-01-22 18:07:39 
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Bob Lidral <l1dralspam  2006-01-23 01:47:44 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-22 12:37:49 
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"R. Vowels" <  2006-01-24 14:25:07 
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"robin" <rob  2006-02-02 23:36:41 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-01-19 20:14:04 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-20 00:14:17 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-20 00:14:16 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-21 00:22:49 
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"robin" <rob  2006-01-22 02:11:31 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-21 23:59:22 
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"R. Vowels" <  2006-01-24 14:25:08 
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"robin" <rob  2006-04-08 03:34:11 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-04-07 22:16:04 
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"robin" <rob  2006-04-10 01:05:09 
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"Tom Linden" &l  2006-04-10 06:34:38 
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Binyamin Dissen <posti  2006-04-10 19:51:31 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-04-10 17:48:54 
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"James J. Weinkam&qu  2006-04-10 23:15:40 
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"robin" <rob  2006-05-25 12:58:54 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-05-26 17:41:26 
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"James J. Weinkam&qu  2006-05-27 05:12:32 
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ime@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (R  2006-05-27 08:45:31 
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"robin" <rob  2006-05-25 12:58:54 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-05-25 13:49:57 
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"robin" <rob  2006-05-29 00:37:01 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-05-28 17:41:27 
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"robin" <rob  2006-05-30 00:03:10 
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Steve Myers <noone@[EM  2006-05-31 21:16:13 
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"robin" <rob  2006-06-01 22:06:11 
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"robin" <rob  2006-06-02 23:27:59 
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Steve Myers <noone@[EM  2006-06-03 12:19:30 
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"robin" <rob  2006-06-07 10:58:32 
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glen herrmannsfeldt <g  2006-06-07 13:59:32 
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"robin" <rob  2006-06-10 22:47:44 
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"robin" <rob  2006-06-01 22:06:11 
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"robin" <rob  2006-02-03 15:05:02 
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"Sven Pran" <  2006-01-14 01:32:19 
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"John W. Kennedy&quo  2006-01-13 19:49:54 
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multicsfan <multicsfan  2006-01-14 00:22:28 

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