On May 8, 10:33=A0am, Mb <meb...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Ric wrote:
>
> ... snip
>
>
>
> > From your message you are obviously you are aware of J.
> > It is available on Windows, Linux and MacOS. J code written on one
> > platform will run (including GUI) on the others.
>
> > A CRAN/CPAN-like library exists that enables J-users to contribute
> > packages that can be easily installed for use (and inspection) by
> > other J users.
>
> > All the code for the IDE is written in J and can be freely inspected
> > (and changed if required) by users.
>
> > The system is freely available for download & use (not hamstrung in
> > any way).
>
> > The only part of the system and that is "not-open" (as opposed to "not
> > opensource") is the code for the core J engine - it is available for a
> > price (see jsoftware website).
>
> > I'd be interested in hearing why you will "never go back to non-
> > opensource languages for anything critical"?
>
> Ric,
>
> I absolutely agree with You on J: it's a *beautiful* product, and its
> no-limits download is what attracted me to the APLish world.
>
> I believe that the limit imposed from jsoftware on sources is a very
> smart alternative to opensource, considering you can use the whole
> system for free .... even if conceptually I can feel some envy for the
> old non standard symbols of APL, much more dense as for information
> transactions, IMHO.
>
> Now for your last question, I'd have a long and elaborate answer, but I
> know this is not the right situation and I'm not sure I know English
> well enough to express myself 'ad hoc'.
>
> To make a long story short, I wasted along the years (many) so much
> money in exploring various software proposals (dead languages, dead big
> software houses ... sigh!), that I decided not to cooperate anymore with
> people who literally say "first pay, then see if we sold you a solution.
> If not, or incomplete, or buggy, too pity but that will be none of our
> business.". You know how the software licences are prepared as I know
> ... ;-)
>
> Nowadays its simpler to find a language which has been deeply explored
> by tons of programmers, hunting for bugs, patches, new features, who
> mantain it 24/24 for passion and with great attention, and I prefer to
> donate to those communities, than to pay a software house which can
> disappear tomorrow, leaving me and my projects out in the cold ....
>
> Marco
>
> NB: All this has absolutely *nothing* to do with J and jsoftware, be it
> clear. My opinions on J are clearly expressed, I hope.
Lets see how clear your opinions of J are.
I understand that you think J more or less meets your criteria
(basically APL2 does meet your criteria too as far as I can gather)
Even so you still do not want to use J (nor APL2 for that matter) ?
I have to admit I am a bit confused and that is basically very often
the case that I hear people say yes APL is beautiful and can do
everything but I do not want to use it more than for fun.
What I can not understand is why?
Something is not getting through to the general public.
In the very old days something could be objected against APL but I
have not seen any valid arguments against APL for many years and still
APL is not growing as much as it should.
I guess our marketing effort is not as effective as it should be.
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