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Re: APL & Programming Concepts

by Mb <mebian@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 8, 2008 at 12:33 PM

Ric wrote:
.... snip
> From your message you are obviously you are aware of J.
> It is available on Windows, Linux and MacOS. J code written on one
> platform will run (including GUI) on the others.
> 
> A CRAN/CPAN-like library exists that enables J-users to contribute
> packages that can be easily installed for use (and inspection) by
> other J users.
> 
> All the code for the IDE is written in J and can be freely inspected
> (and changed if required) by users.
> 
> The system is freely available for download & use (not hamstrung in
> any way).
> 
> The only part of the system and that is "not-open" (as opposed to "not
> opensource") is the code for the core J engine - it is available for a
> price (see jsoftware website).
> 
> I'd be interested in hearing why you will "never go back to non-
> opensource languages for anything critical"?
> 

Ric,

I absolutely agree with You on J: it's a *beautiful* product, and its 
no-limits download is what attracted me to the APLish world.

I believe that the limit imposed from jsoftware on sources is a very 
smart alternative to opensource, considering you can use the whole 
system for free .... even if conceptually I can feel some envy for the 
old non standard symbols of APL, much more dense as for information 
transactions, IMHO.

Now for your last question, I'd have a long and elaborate answer, but I 
know this is not the right situation and I'm not sure I know English 
well enough to express myself 'ad hoc'.

To make a long story short, I wasted along the years (many) so much 
money in exploring various software proposals (dead languages, dead big 
software houses ... sigh!), that I decided not to cooperate anymore with 
people who literally say "first pay, then see if we sold you a solution. 
If not, or incomplete, or buggy, too pity but that will be none of our 
business.". You know how the software licences are prepared as I know 
.... ;-)

Nowadays its simpler to find a language which has been deeply explored 
by tons of programmers, hunting for bugs, patches, new features, who 
mantain it 24/24 for passion and with great attention, and I prefer to 
donate to those communities, than to pay a software house which can 
disappear tomorrow, leaving me and my projects out in the cold ....

Marco

NB: All this has absolutely *nothing* to do with J and jsoftware, be it 
clear. My opinions on J are clearly expressed, I hope.




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APL & Programming Concepts
AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-06 11:00:50 
Re: APL & Programming Concepts
pgilbert@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-06 19:19:16 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-06 22:13:30 
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Gosi <gosinn@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-06 22:36:29 
Re: APL & Programming Concepts
Mb <mebian@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-07 11:41:17 
Re: APL & Programming Concepts
"Curtis A. Jones&quo  2008-05-07 08:34:14 
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Mb <mebian@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-07 19:14:24 
Re: APL & Programming Concepts
"Kerry Liles" &  2008-05-07 13:44:47 
Re: APL & Programming Concepts
Mb <mebian@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-08 00:53:12 
Re: APL & Programming Concepts
"Curtis A. Jones&quo  2008-05-07 08:42:03 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-07 09:05:00 
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"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-07 18:46:37 
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"David Liebtag"  2008-05-07 14:34:36 
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"David Liebtag"  2008-05-09 13:37:05 
Re: APL & Programming Concepts
phil chastney <phil.ha  2008-05-10 21:54:22 
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microapl@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-07 09:31:53 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-07 11:18:26 
Re: APL & Programming Concepts
"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-07 23:07:58 
Re: APL & Programming Concepts
Ric <r.g.sherlock@[EMA  2008-05-07 18:07:12 
Re: APL & Programming Concepts
Mb <mebian@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-08 12:33:11 
Re: APL & Programming Concepts
Randy MacDonald <ramac  2008-05-09 19:07:23 
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Gosi <gosinn@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-08 04:19:15 
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Mb <mebian@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-08 18:13:21 
Re: APL & Programming Concepts
Christopher Browne <cb  2008-05-08 19:48:11 
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Gosi <gosinn@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-08 13:02:53 
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microapl@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-09 02:01:51 
Re: APL & Programming Concepts
Ric <r.g.sherlock@[EMA  2008-05-09 16:54:24 
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Ric <r.g.sherlock@[EMA  2008-05-09 17:18:43 
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"Polivka@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-11 15:55:03 
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"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-12 08:03:21 
Re: APL & Programming Concepts
phil chastney <user@[E  2008-05-12 13:47:27 
Re: APL & Programming Concepts
Randy MacDonald <ramac  2008-05-13 18:03:57 
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phil chastney <phil.ha  2008-05-13 21:59:03 
Re: APL & Programming Concepts
Randy MacDonald <ramac  2008-05-14 21:57:24 
Re: APL & Programming Concepts
phil chastney <phil.ha  2008-05-15 07:42:40 
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Steve <steve@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-11 19:53:25 
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RHui000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-12 11:21:07 
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Jack <jgrudd@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-12 21:12:11 

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