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Re: Can't live without.

by "jk" <aqxqy@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (not the q's)> May 5, 2008 at 03:58 PM

"aleph0" <apl68000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:fdbbd5f8-5eb9-46fd-9588-b1bc528b45ae@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> can you seriously believe that they spend
>>> 10-20 times more ( I am assuming that the APLer gets paid t he same 
>>> as
>>> the orhers!) for the same end product?
>
>
> Well, the advantages of ONE APLer are IMO ....
>
> a) the project is normally finished 20 times ( or more ) faster
> (elapsed time)
> b) ANY SINGLE mistake in a program-suite is deadly, whether it was
> caused by 1 APLer or 20 other programmers in a team
> c) having 2+ layers of management is prone to creating mistakes from
> the very start
> d) the cost of "managing" 20+ people ( + their management layers ) is
> normally far more than 1 APLer
> e) "too many cooks spoil the broth" : too many managers that are too
> far away from understanding the application and are the main cause of
> delays
>
> I'm talking from experience ...  of what I've seen happen in large IT
> teams / cor****ations. I've seen millions and yes, Billions of $s
> wasted on software development in attempts to replace legacy APL
> applications etc. etc.
> The stories ( if I was to publish them ) are just unbelievable ...
> money wasted, IT (applications-development )management incompetance
> etc. etc. !
>
> BTW...
> The German Handelsblatt published a re****t many years ago stating that
> Inhouse-developed Applications are normally dumped at the rate of ca.
> 80%.
> The main reasons given were ( order of priority ):
> 1) the application developments took so long that the business
> requirement had simply (and finally)  disappeared !
> 2) the budget was so badly overrun, that they started to look outside
> for a solution
>
> FWIW

could you frame that in?
 




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"Stephen Taylor <  2008-05-03 03:20:39 
Re: Can't live without.
"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-03 12:28:42 
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Steve <steve@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-03 07:18:56 
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aleph0 <apl68000@[EMAI  2008-05-03 09:50:25 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-03 11:27:44 
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Gosi <gosinn@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-04 00:46:59 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-04 01:02:39 
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Morten Kromberg <mkrom  2008-05-04 14:35:58 
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"Curtis A. Jones&quo  2008-05-04 15:08:41 
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Dick Bowman <dick@[EMA  2008-05-05 06:03:46 
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aleph0 <apl68000@[EMAI  2008-05-04 23:41:11 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-04 23:45:05 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 00:03:03 
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"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-05 11:37:26 
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phil chastney <phil.ha  2008-05-05 17:29:02 
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Randy MacDonald <ramac  2008-05-05 19:02:20 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-05 20:13:37 
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Randy MacDonald <ramac  2008-05-06 03:08:27 
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Gosi <gosinn@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-05 03:19:52 
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"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-05 12:29:36 
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Gosi <gosinn@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-05 04:07:51 
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"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-05 13:23:54 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 04:14:43 
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aleph0 <apl68000@[EMAI  2008-05-05 06:45:47 
Re: Can't live without.
"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-05 15:58:51 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 07:31:17 
Re: Can't live without.
"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-05 17:05:47 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-05 20:09:26 
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aleph0 <apl68000@[EMAI  2008-05-05 07:52:55 
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aleph0 <apl68000@[EMAI  2008-05-05 08:04:40 
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Gosi <gosinn@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-05 08:18:10 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 09:24:09 
Re: Can't live without.
"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-05 19:06:26 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 09:36:55 
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"Curtis A. Jones&quo  2008-05-05 10:08:54 
Re: Can't live without.
"Curtis A. Jones&quo  2008-05-05 10:16:34 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 11:00:14 
Re: Can't live without.
"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-05 20:08:16 
Re: Can't live without.
AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 11:07:10 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 11:08:35 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 11:15:45 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 14:28:48 
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aleph0 <apl68000@[EMAI  2008-05-06 01:06:50 
Re: Can't live without.
"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-06 10:28:33 
Re: Can't live without.
aleph0 <apl68000@[EMAI  2008-05-06 02:03:29 
Re: Can't live without.
"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-06 12:00:48 
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Ibeam2000 <Ibeam2000@[  2008-05-06 02:38:57 
Re: Can't live without.
aleph0 <apl68000@[EMAI  2008-05-06 04:01:05 
Re: Can't live without.
"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-06 13:40:20 
Re: Can't live without.
aleph0 <apl68000@[EMAI  2008-05-06 04:50:18 
Re: Can't live without.
"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-06 15:09:28 
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Gosi <gosinn@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-09 14:40:39 
Re: Can't live without.
"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-10 08:35:45 
Re: Can't live without.
Gosi <gosinn@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-10 02:37:21 
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Gosi <gosinn@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-10 02:44:50 
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Steve <steve@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-10 06:02:37 
Re: Can't live without.
"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-10 19:24:54 
Re: Can't live without.
Jack <jgrudd@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-12 20:43:23 
Re: Can't live without.
"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-13 08:20:25 

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