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Re: Can't live without.

by AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 5, 2008 at 04:14 AM

" ... one swallow does not make a summer ...": a successful APL system
or a useless non-apl system does not make the case for universal
endorsement or rejection. As far as I know, there is no single
methodology  or language that guarantees a successful outcome;
however, failure is almost always attributable to bad project
management whether it is done formally or not, whether the language is
APL or not.

" ... the real world has changed ...": yes it is true that APL is much
more resilient in coping with mid-flight changes. However, I think it
is a myth that the real world changes so dramatically. If it does,
should not the application design parameterise the changes? This
argument was used quite a lot to justify the building of own-use
applications rather than wait for an IT department to schedule it, let
alone deliver it. All such applications that became 'im****tant' to the
organisation are in the queue for re-writing (or have been already):
the originator has retired, moved-on or found something more
interesting to do. The case for re-writing would be less credible if
the application had a GUI, a functional specification, a help file, a
knowledge base etc.

" ... perhaps formal accreditation or education is the answer ...": I
doubt this very much especially given the APL mindset that believes
that nothing non-apl is of any value. But 'education' does hold a key:
the mindset needs to recognise other tools and learn to co-exist and
it way i can leverage the unique qualities of APL.

A key question is this: "does APL teach you programming concepts?" or
"does it teach/enable you to solve (discete) problems?" I believe the
latter is true and in this respect, it is often wrongly perceived to
be a solution looking for a problem to solve.

It is a sad reflection that even with educational (or free) licences
for educational establishments, there is not one [in the UK] (that I
know of, but will be delighted to be proved wrong) that uses APL. I
know of several that use Haskell, Groovy, Java etc.

I don't know of any non-apl books that use APL (working code) to
illustrate concepts, except "Computer Architecture. Concepts and
Evolution" by GA Blaaw & FP Brooks (Mythical man-month fame): for the
authors, APL happened to be the best tool for the job to hand.
 




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"Stephen Taylor <  2008-05-03 03:20:39 
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"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-03 12:28:42 
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Steve <steve@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-03 07:18:56 
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aleph0 <apl68000@[EMAI  2008-05-03 09:50:25 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-03 11:27:44 
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Gosi <gosinn@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-04 00:46:59 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-04 01:02:39 
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Morten Kromberg <mkrom  2008-05-04 14:35:58 
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"Curtis A. Jones&quo  2008-05-04 15:08:41 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-04 23:45:05 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 00:03:03 
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phil chastney <phil.ha  2008-05-05 17:29:02 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 04:14:43 
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aleph0 <apl68000@[EMAI  2008-05-05 06:45:47 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 07:31:17 
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aleph0 <apl68000@[EMAI  2008-05-05 07:52:55 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 09:24:09 
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"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-05 19:06:26 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 09:36:55 
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"Curtis A. Jones&quo  2008-05-05 10:08:54 
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"Curtis A. Jones&quo  2008-05-05 10:16:34 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 11:00:14 
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"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-05 20:08:16 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 11:07:10 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 11:08:35 
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AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 14:28:48 
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aleph0 <apl68000@[EMAI  2008-05-06 01:06:50 
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"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-06 10:28:33 
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aleph0 <apl68000@[EMAI  2008-05-06 02:03:29 
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"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-06 12:00:48 
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Ibeam2000 <Ibeam2000@[  2008-05-06 02:38:57 
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aleph0 <apl68000@[EMAI  2008-05-06 04:01:05 
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"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-06 13:40:20 
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aleph0 <apl68000@[EMAI  2008-05-06 04:50:18 
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"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-06 15:09:28 
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Gosi <gosinn@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-09 14:40:39 
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"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-10 08:35:45 
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Gosi <gosinn@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-10 02:37:21 
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Gosi <gosinn@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-10 02:44:50 
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Steve <steve@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-10 06:02:37 
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"jk" <aqxqy@  2008-05-10 19:24:54 
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Jack <jgrudd@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-12 20:43:23 
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