"Gosi" <gosinn@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 5, 9:37 am, "jk" <aq...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(not the q's)> wrote:
>> "AAsk" <AA2e...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>
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>> > "One lone APLer could in many cases replace 10-20 applications
>> > programmers..."
>>
>> > Another viewpoint on the same scenario is that "one lone APLer
>> > introduces a single point of failure in the orgnisation" and no
>> > organisation will chose to live with this kind of vulnerability.
>> > Organisations exist to make a profit and the strongest influence on
>> > profit is their expenses: can you seriously believe that they spend
>> > 10-20 times more ( I am assuming that the APLer gets paid t he same
>> > as
>> > the orhers!) for the same end product?
>>
>> Solid teamwork is not a garanty for reliable systems. The reliable
>> systems e.g. in the public sector can be counted on the fingers of
>> one
>> hand, and they have large teams with strict protocols for
>> system-analysis and programming. I know of a system costing > 100mln
>> euro's that is useless, or of 600.000 people receiving the wrong
>> amount
>> of allowance. Most such systems suffer not only from the "mythical
>> man-month" but also from the fact that the real world has changed
>> long
>> before the projected system is in the air.
>> On the other hand I know of really large APL-systems (e.g. an
>> oil-refinery system, a student-financing system, large insurance- &
>> pension systems, built by two or three people running smooth and
>> stirdy
>> (they should because big interest are at stake).
>>
>> In general for any system you'll need a small team (as small as
>> possible) of really smart guys who know the ropes.
>
> Maybe what we need is a certificate of qualification in APL?
>
> The main idea for applying the certificate of professional
> qualification is to get a official recognition of existing
> competences, developed in the non-formal, informal and formal learning
> and in work life.
>
> Professional qualification means the level of competences (knowledge,
> skills, experiences, values, personal characteristics), required in
> the profession as an APL programmer or educator.
>
>
> The application of professional qualification would be a process,
> where a person attests the level of his or her professional competence
> and a body, which awards professional qualification, assesses the the
> correspondence thereof to the professional qualification applied for
> and issues a professional certificate.
>
> Methods of attestation are interview, discussion, supervision,
> ****tfolio, test assignment, attestation on the basis of documents.
>
> Professional certificates shall be registered in a register which is
> approved by ????
We have that in Neth.: R.I. (Registered Informaticus), but only based on
diploma's.
I'd say, consider the APL-education as an academic study, from
first-year through graduate, and consider succesful and recognized
applications as a Phd.
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