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Re: A demon of our own design

by aleph0 <apl68000@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jan 31, 2008 at 07:30 AM

> Since then, available memory has grown rapidly and I have
> heard of APL compilers. =A0I am curious as to the reaction
> of experts on APL =A0- to the book and the issues raised.


I have just read the pages you mentioned...

The guy basically talks about APL being bad at loops ( ;-)... which he
says is bad news for the finance-environment in which APL was used at
MS and UBS ... and  then goes on to say we are a "cult" ;-)
He also mentions Arthur Whitney and A+ whilst talking about Morgan
Stanley and UBS APL shortfalls, saying that because APL is an
interpreter language, the loops ( needed for recursive swaps pricing
etc. ) cause code to be repeatedly "re"-interpreted, thus slowing up
the system considerably.

Strangely enough, A+ is actually a pseudo APL compiler and executes
loops (if needed) VERY quickly.

He mentioned that UBS lost 100's of millions by not being able to
price/hedge their swaps/options properly - due to APL's short-comings.

He actually blames the language rather than the application
programmers, which makes me suspect that he may have other motives ...
unknown to me.

AFAIK, Deutsche Bank has/had an excellent swaps system written in
Sharp APL, which functioned perfectly for ca. 20 years .. without all
the hitches he talked about !

Also, he said that due to a differences in the "Calendar"
functionality between their APL system and their back-office, certain
trades were simply "forgotten" and not executed. Well, if you ask me,
it sounds more like an application-programming problem rather than an
APL problem !

I'll be reading the whole book soon; interesting to see what else he
says !
;-)

FWIW
 




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A demon of our own design
Harold <hskolnic@[EMAI  2007-12-26 21:16:03 
Re: A demon of our own design
Ibeam2000 <Ibeam2000@[  2007-12-27 00:50:14 
Re: A demon of our own design
Morten Kromberg <mkrom  2007-12-27 00:59:21 
Re: A demon of our own design
Morten Kromberg <mkrom  2007-12-27 01:40:58 
Re: A demon of our own design
aleph0 <apl68000@[EMAI  2007-12-27 02:32:48 
Re: A demon of our own design
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2007-12-27 17:56:19 
Re: A demon of our own design
Gilbert Giappesi <gilg  2007-12-27 22:36:39 
Re: A demon of our own design
AAsk <AA2e72E@[EMAIL P  2007-12-27 23:56:01 
Re: A demon of our own design
Gilbert Giappesi <gilg  2007-12-28 14:16:33 
Re: A demon of our own design
aleph0 <apl68000@[EMAI  2008-01-31 07:30:38 

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